Speaker 1 00:00:04 Welcome to the Weekend, Warrior's Home Improvement Show built by Far Lumber when it comes to big or small projects around the home. Tony and Cory, you've got the know-how and the answers to make your life just a bit easier. Here they are, your Weekend Warriors, Tony and Corey.
Speaker 2 00:00:24 Hey, welcome to the Weekend, warriors Home Improvement Show podcast. I'm Corey Valdez. I'm Tony Cookson. We're hanging out to you today, uh, or we're coming to you today from, uh, par Lumber in West Lynn. This is my home base stone. Yeah, this is where you, uh, this is where you spend many of your days. Yes, sir. Building, uh, building material supply to patrons who need, uh, both products and advice. Yeah. Products and advice. I get, uh, I get both daily, so, uh, I don't mind coming back here and hanging out on a Saturday. I think it would be super funny if a customer walked into your office up to your desk and he would ask you for some advice, and you said, tell you what. Tune into my podcast <laugh>, and you can get everything that you need right there. <laugh>. Uh, you know, funny enough, I, I get a little embarrassed when people, you know, they'll come up to me and say, Hey, I saw you on the TV up front, or something like that.
Speaker 2 00:01:20 Yeah, yeah. You know, I saw the thing and, but sometimes people talk about it and I say, you know, actually, I have a pretty useful video about that subject on our YouTube channel, and I'll tell 'em about it. Yeah. So, I mean, it's, uh, I mean, it is, we do the show because we, we have a lot of useful knowledge that we share with all of our listeners, with you guys, and with our, you know, people that go to our YouTube channel. We have tons of videos on there, so. Yep. Yeah, go check it out. It's youtube.com/ww Home Show. Uh, we're also on Instagram, so you can find us there at WW Home Show, or you can just search the Weekend Warriors Home Improvement Show. If you're watching this video on YouTube, you can also get all of our audio on podcast on Spotify, iHeartRadio, uh, those Google podcast. Apple Podcast. Yeah. Anywhere, wherever you get your podcast. Totally. Anyway, so, uh, podcast, podcast, podcast. <laugh>. Excuse me.
Speaker 2 00:02:22 Woo. There's a lot of pollen out here today. Yeah. <laugh>. Anyway, so we're hanging out today. There is a, uh, deck barbecue going on today. We've got an amazing, uh, looking Hawaiian food truck over here. Tony, you gonna throw down on that here later? Oh yeah, for sure. I, I think, um, I'm gonna see if I can't get them to give me a partial portion of rice partial portion. 'cause it looks like the, there's a lot of rice, but, uh, but I'm definitely gonna eat some of that meat. It looks good. Yeah. Habu smoked cart. It looks, uh, every time it walks by, I can smell it. <laugh> the cart walks by. No, the, the people walking by with food <laugh>. Lots of people here today, so, so yeah. Speaking of all the people that are here today, there are vendor representatives from many different manufactured products and suppliers, uh, for building material supplies.
Speaker 2 00:03:06 So I think it would be good for us to, um, just cover some of these suppliers and the products that they sell and, uh, and talk about how absolutely. What role that plays in, in an outdoor living situation at, at our home or your Yeah, yeah. Our listeners' home, because each one of these vendors supply something very specific for outdoor living. Uh, like the guy right across from us. Yeah. He patio, roof riser. It's a product that, uh, this guy, he invented it. It's uh, it's basically a steel bracket system that bolts directly onto your roof that holds beams for a patio. So you would, for a patio cover. A patio cover, sorry, not a patio Right, but a patio cover. Yeah. So you would take his brackets, which are adjustable heavy duty steel heavy duty. Yep. And you bolt 'em down to your roof deck and you cut a saw curve into your lumber and they slide over top or even has u brackets that go around and they hold up the beams, which allow you to span a beam across your roof and then put like a shed style patio roof cover over your patio.
Speaker 2 00:04:16 And it, it's a really cool product. Yeah. I, I mean you see a lot of those shed style patio roof covers. The problem is the eve of a single story house, a lot of times it's very low. Right. See that, and if, and people want to tuck it up under there. Right. If you were tuck it up under, then by the time you got down to the, the edge or the end of your patio would be very low, you would have to tuck underneath it. That is correct. Yeah. So, you know, my neighbor, actually, I just wanna point this out. My neighbor has a patio roof cover that is built out of probably two by six pt, and he has it just sitting on a ledger, not even a ledger, it's just a plate that just sits right on his roof deck. Oh, really? Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:04:58 And all of the joists that are the roof joists are nailed to that ledger or, or piece of plate, but it's not attached to the roof. I don't believe so. Wow. It looks like it's just setting there. I, I mean, I would imagine mean it's, it's heavy, so I mean, it's not a really good likely Well, and it's gonna move much, but probably not. But I would imagine that they've used some blackjack or some sort of, uh, roofing tar to weld it to the roof deck. Interesting. But it's not a good setup because it, I can look over there from my upstairs bedroom and I can look down and there is always piles of leaves and pine needles stacked up behind it, right. Against the roof deck. So it's just sitting there. That's not a good situation. No, it's not. That's where this patio roof rise comes into play.
Speaker 2 00:05:45 Yeah. It lifts everything off the roof deck so that you have a gap, you know, probably anywhere between eight to 12 inches of space, allowing airflow, allowing leaves and all of that stuff to blow through, not causing rot. So it's interesting. Right. Um, patio roof, Fraser's not the only company that makes a product that does that job. Correct. Skylift hardware is another one. Yep. We stock Skylift hardware as well. Yep. With Skylift hardware, you cut a little hole in the roof deck, you attach that bracket actually to the top plate of your exterior, exterior wall wall, and you bolt that thing in there. I mean, it's very, very strong. Yep. And then it comes up and you roof back around it again. And then, uh, it gets a little, uh, flashing, rubber flashing piece and then that holds a beam, which holds the rest of your patio cover.
Speaker 2 00:06:33 Right. The patio roof rise. What makes that unique is anyone can install it. Really, it's, you do cut a hole in your roof, but it gets covered over with what you call a roof jack. Right. Or a pipe jack. Right. So it's the same sort of pipe, it's like a two inch pipe that comes through your roof just like you would see for your toilet vent or your sink vent. Right. You're gonna see these two inch pipes come up through your roof. Well, this little rubberized, neoprene roof jack is what slides over that sits on your roof deck and then you tuck it up under some shingles, nail it down and use some black jack roof, you know, caulking cement. Yep. It's great design. I think it's great design. It's, it's really cool. And so if you were deciding that you didn't want to mess with your roof, a lot of people are like, well, I don't wanna put a hole in my roof in my perfectly good roof.
Speaker 2 00:07:24 Here's another option. You could put a couple of posts right up next to the eve of the house all the way down to the ground, expend them up above the roof, and then you could cantilever your joists that are on top of that beam that those two posts carry. And then that would be up over top of your roof. Yeah. I mean, essentially the reason why you want it to cover over is so that you overlapping any area where rain could come through. If you just butt the roof up to your eave, then you're gonna have an area where rain comes through. Correct. But now you could do it that way as well. I wanna point out, you know, what Tony just said is a, is a great idea if you don't want to attach anything to your house. Right. But keep in mind, anytime you're building anything where it involves posts freestanding, you have to worry about lateral stability.
Speaker 2 00:08:16 Right. And when I say lateral stability, it's the, the post itself, if you were to just stand a post up, just stand it up on the ground, what's it gonna do? It's gonna fall over. That's lateral force. It's gonna, it's every time wind hits it, it's gonna want to tip over. Right. So you have to figure out a way to secure that post so it stands up vertically. The easiest way to do that is by digging a hole, planning that post down into the ground three or four feet and then having it come straight up out of the ground high enough to support your, your deck or your patio cover. So that is something to consider because I've seen people that want to use a post base, you know, and right next to patio roof ryer, oddly enough is Simpson Strong-tie, right? That's right. Simpson Strong-tie makes metal hangers and connectors for wood members like posts or joists or anything like that.
Speaker 2 00:09:14 Well, the problem is when you have a metal connector post base is what we would call that like an A B U post base, you would bolt that to say concrete. Like if you have a patio concrete pad, you could bolt a post base to that and set a post on it. Right. But it doesn't offer much lateral stability. Right. You know, you could put it in there and it's held together with some nails or some bolts, but realistically, you know, you put that thing eight feet in the air if that's all you do. Correct. That's what I'm, but, but obviously there are, and we've talked about this even recently, uh, there are things you can do to give it lateral stability. Right. You could use, um, knee braces, tiebacks or knee braces or whatever you wanna call those. Yeah. Uh, and, and so, but that's, if you were say, say you were setting it on a concrete patio and you don't want to put a hole in your concrete patio, but you also don't want it to be bigger than your patio.
Speaker 2 00:10:10 That's kind of a situation where you're tied to that. You don't have a lot of options. Right. But obviously there are things you could do. These are all different options for building a patio cover. Um, and, and that's, those was just one of the products that you could do. Simpson has a lot of products for that. Yeah. If you're putting Joyce up, they have, uh, hurricane ties for the joist. I tie the joist to the beams. They've got, um, hangers that hold a beam to a post or to your house. Uh, I actually built a patio cover and I did not put those posts in the ground as, you know, the, I set them on top of the patio, but I did tie it into the house Right on the backside. So the house in itself is offering you that stability. That's to keep it That's right at the house side.
Speaker 2 00:10:54 Right out in the front side. Still very, you know, I had to, um, I had to tie those back, those beams to that post on both cross and you cross members. Right. You know, like, uh, on a 45 knee brace. Yeah. 45. Yep. Knee braces, green knee braces and, and mine's very strong. But I also built it out of six by 12 and four by 12 and four by eight. Big, chunky, bulky thing. I would call that a beast cover. Yes. It's beasty. That thing is beasty. Uh, yeah. The four by hangers that tied it to the house, the, the A b U 60 sixes that tied the six by sixes to the patio with concrete fasteners. All, all of that came from Simpson. Yeah. Um, including, including some long heavy duty screws that hold joist to beams. Ah, your roof rafters. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 00:11:45 Because you did your roof rafters out of timbers as well. That's right. I did. And along with those Simpson screws that I used, I also used some fasten master screws that were, they replaced lag bolts, like, uh, I'd say five sixteenths to three eight inch round, um, very long. Lots of threads. And they replaced, they also replaced hangers that you would use to tie one structural member to another one. Right, right. Yeah. Those Simpson makes all those screws, they make 'em in black as well. Did you use black screws on yours? Orange ones? Orange. I used some black screws. Oh, okay. Also some orange ones. They offer a selection of hardware that they call outdoor accents. Yes, that's right. And the outdoor accents you can get, you know, l brackets and you know, different other brackets that are made powdercoated black that you can leave exposed.
Speaker 2 00:12:37 They're meant to be seen. If you want that look of, you know, the black hardware holding your timber frame roof together. Simpson strong tie that makes that outdoor accents line really, really cool. And they also make matching fasteners. Yes. So very cool situation. Um, one of the other things about Simpson two, and we talk about this a lot on the show when building decks, they make hangers that are specifically designed for pressure treated lumber. I see this off too often. We did a beach series, we went to a beach house over on the Oregon coast and that had a brand new deck installed. And you could see where the framers used the incorrect fasteners in some cases on that, on that deck framing. And what we mean by that is, at the coast specifically, pressure treated lumber is made out of copper ale. It's got zinc in it, combined with the salty air. You get immediate corrosion of anything that is not stainless steel. Right. That's right. So Simpson makes stainless steel hangers, but if you're not at the coast, they also make what's called zm max. Zm. Max hangers have an additional coating on them that won't interact with the copper in pressure treated lumber, giving you electrolysis, which will corrode those fasteners and those hangers. So it's very important to choose the right hanger for your situation.
Speaker 2 00:14:14 We've intentionally left this moment blank to cut out the loud truck that's about to start and drive away. Oh. And you can just, and you can just, right. Just cut that out. 'cause we stopped. It's a lot harder to do with video now, but Yes. We have to do a clap. Yeah, we're going to clap here as soon as he's gone. Ready? Clap, clap, clap your hands. Right next to, do you have Simpson or you're good? Simpson. Right next to the Simpson tent, you'll see a, a couple of tents. These two tents are aec, TimberTech and also, um, i w p selling T Trex. So Warehouser selling aec, TimberTech and I w p selling Tres t Trex and TimberTech. Right. Yeah. These two, you know, these two composite out <laugh> decking manufacturers that, uh, have both have huge product lines that people buy all the time, but yet they're, they're different in many different ways.
Speaker 2 00:15:24 Um, but they both bring something unique. Azec brings a product that's all plastic, very unique. Trex doesn't offer that. Trex makes their product out of 98%, um, recycled materials. Aec, TimberTech just doesn't do that. Um, Azac TimberTech has a, a a four-sided cap that goes all the way around their, um, composite product. Trex is, is capped three sides. And they have reasons why they've chosen to manufacture their products like that. And yet they're very different from each other. A hundred percent. Um, Trex and TimberTech making composite decking and azac making plastic decking, which, uh, is a little bit more expensive. It's got a really nice color palette. Um, super low maintenance. I mean, you don't have to stain it, you don't have to, all you gotta do is just wash it gently with detergent mm-hmm. <affirmative> and, and, um, keep it clean. That's all you gotta do is keep it clean. It's your only responsibility. One of the things that AEC makes that tracks actually doesn't is a pure 100% P V C deck. P V C decking has a lot of qualities about it that make it really cool. A, it's fire resistant so it won't actually burn unless it has fire constantly touching it. Once you take that fire source away, it smokes out and won't continue to burn.
Speaker 2 00:16:55 One of the other benefits of Azec is that it's light. You take that product out of its package, you take a 20 footer and you can pick it up with one hand no problem. A piece of composite decking is about three times as heavy. So if you're installing a deck yourself and you have long runs and you gotta pack it beat to the back of your yard or whatever, AZA might be the way to go for you. Very similar warranties between the two products. Yes. Uh, 25 year fade and stay in warranty, I think, um, is very similar for both of the products. They're, they have similar price points, um, and a less, a least expensive, a most expensive and, you know, a couple of options in the middle there. But, um, both really good products and, um, both really good suppliers. Uh, we have good relationships with them for sure.
Speaker 2 00:17:47 What I would say is, it really comes down to personal preference. When people walk in the door and they ask me about what's my favorite deck board or whatever, what, you know, do you like Tet, Trex or TimberTech? And to be quite honest, they're both great. T Trex has a lot of things like on their side and also so does TimberTech. Aec. So it really comes down to your personal preference when you look at it. Do I like that color? Do I like that grain pattern? Right? Do I like the way it looks? It's, it's because you're the one that has to live with it. You have to put it down on your deck and look at it every single day. Right. And I always get people to come in and, and they, they wanna use cost, right? They wanna say, oh, well I want the cheapest possible product ever.
Speaker 2 00:18:32 And you can get, you can get composite decking for sub $2, a linear foot all the way up to $6 a linear foot. Right. But then the next question is, well, well how big is the deck? And they say, oh, it's 10 by 10 <laugh>. So you tin it's a hundred square foot deck. Yeah. The tiniest deck you could possibly builds and you're gonna put the least expensive product down. Yeah. 250 linear feet. And you're talking about the biggest price difference might be, you know, typically around $2 per foot, one swing way or the other. And so you're gonna go with a product that you don't like for $400. Yeah. For $500. I mean, what, at that point, if you're going with a deck that's gonna last forever framing, it's gonna last forever. The, the in the decking material that's gonna outlive you, are you gonna choose something because of its price or because you like, you know?
Speaker 2 00:19:22 Right. I, I get both. Right. I've sold people decks to people that just need to put it down and it's a utility type deck. Doesn't matter. I get it. And, and honestly, some of those lighter, well those less expensive deck boards look great. They really do. But I've also heard people say, oh, I love that one, but it's just too expensive. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. That, uh, that does seem like a moderately shallow perspective. It's just something to consider is all for the decision that you're making for the next 25 years. That's my point. Yeah. Um, so right here next to us in this, uh, in this spot right next to us is Exterior Wood. Yes. A partner of Par Lumber Company for a very long time, as long as I can remember. Yeah. It's actually tga tga TIG Exterior Wood by tga. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:20:11 Is that right? TGA bought Exterior Wood. They were a local company in WashU, Washington TGA is one of the largest, uh, pressure treated manufacturers in the world. Swooped in and bought exterior wood. Good Choice. Kept a name great company because they knew that Exterior Wood is an amazing company. Yep. Uh, but yeah, they make, uh, all the pressure, wood pressure, treated wood we've been talking about. That's right. Yep. They do. And, uh, they make pressure treated wood to, to be used inside of the ground, to be used up against the ground, to be used above ground. Um, they have all, and, and some really great technology when it comes to pole barns. They now have a product that is a hybrid product, the bottom six feet. Imagine this to be a four by 8, 4, 4 by six, four by eight, six by six, six by eight, six by 10 big, um, pole barn post stock.
Speaker 2 00:21:01 Yeah. Pole barn sock. And, uh, and they make this product, and it's a hybrid product that is the bottom six feet of it, which is what's gonna be in the ground, is treated for in-ground structural, but then the part that's out of the ground is not treated. And in addition to that, it's not one solid piece. They've taken multiple pieces and laminated them together in order to get a product that stays straight and true and very strong. Like a glue lamb, like a vertical glue lamb, but treated. Yeah. It's a, it's a great product. It, it's called it, they're called called Titan Timbers Titan. Yeah. Those are great. Uh, one thing I will say, it's like if you, when you look at products of that length, when you look at a 30 foot six by six pole, uh, it's hard to keep a 30 foot six by six pole straight.
Speaker 2 00:21:49 Yeah, absolutely. No question. So the Titan Timber is really the answer to if you need something that's straight and true. Yeah. And true and treated. And treated and strong and strong <laugh>. Yeah. They do make a great product. Um, oh, you know, I was watching something on Instagram the other day and this guy was telling a story and he goes, this product that I use is really great. And then he goes, hashtag not sponsored <laugh>. And every time he mentioned a product, he's like, hashtag not sponsored. Uh, we should start doing that. I know. A most of our show would be hashtag not sponsor. I know, I know we have a couple sponsors for our show, but we, we work for a company that supplies products and these products aren't sponsoring us. These products are just products that are good products. We talk about them because they're good.
Speaker 2 00:22:33 We sell them every day. Yeah. It's, it's not, it's not because they're giving us money to say it. That's not what's happening. Um, but these, that means there are some of those <laugh>, if I'm being honest, Makita for example. Yeah. Makita. Makita. But, but that's, uh, again, we don't, we don't praise that product just because they're our sponsor. Oh, right. They're our sponsor because we praise that product. That's true. You know what I mean? True. This is a chicken before the egg thing. <laugh>, we, we loved the product long before they became our sponsor. <laugh>. Um, anyways, uh, so we got two more booths, uh, three more booths. We haven't talked about the, there's a screw products booth right here. Screw Products is, comes to the market with, um, with a really nice looking product line and a super sharp point on their screws. I, I really like their screws.
Speaker 2 00:23:21 Fasten Master is another brand of screw, makes a really good screw. As a matter of fact, Fasten Master recently changed their, their least expensive screw the guard dog, which used to be what they called a PAI track. Uh, not pai track, a Pai Drive, um, bit what they use for it. And they've changed that now to a, to a Torx drive. And that is very nice. The screws are, um, inexpensive comparatively to their competition, but drives with a really nice tip. I really like that. A good comparison. Yes. Group products, products also makes a good screw good product. Yeah. Uh, right next to them is ero. Yeah, that's right. Ero, ERO kind of is, uh, kind of a specialty distributor, don't you think? Yeah, they do. They do a lot of wood products, but they also are into a lot of composite decking products. Now they have a few neat, uh, additions to that line of composite products called Sylvans Decking.
Speaker 2 00:24:17 Yeah, I've seen it. It's actually pretty unique. There's not another product out there that's, that's really like it. I would agree. They, uh, they also make Silvan X for coll cladding wall cladding. I recently got some samples for a customer of mine that wanted to use it on their modern elevations. And I tell you what, it looks really cool. It's not inexpensive, but if you need that look of, you know, exotic hardwood for a modern look, you know, you see these new modern houses with two and three, uh, four or five even different types of siding on the front elevation of the house. And you'll, you'll want that hardwood look, but you don't wanna have to maintain it. Right. That's the problem. You have to go get something like Epay or something, you know, or Mahogany where you put it up on the wall and it looks great for approximately two years or three years and then it starts graying out and it gets splotchy because some of it's in the sun and some of it's not.
Speaker 2 00:25:18 You know, that's really where that product comes into play because it's a composite. Yeah. Plastic. I think they use bamboo flour or something odd in it, but, uh, it's got a really great warranty and it never fades. It looks the same forever. So another really great product he has on his table over there is daso X T R. Yeah, that's right. That's a, a bamboo composite as well. Yes. But it does not look like your traditional bamboo decking. No, because it's super dark, very dark brown. Um, very dense that will, that product I install, I helped to install that product in Dayton for, um, for a friend of mine. And, uh, I'll tell you what, that product is very, very dense, very hard. Um, and the cool thing about it is the pieces are all six foot long and end matched. So you're not worried about right.
Speaker 2 00:26:12 Where your seams are or how that, I mean, the whole deck is gonna be exactly the same six foot pieces and matched and uh, it's a really good look. It looks like an interior floor outside. It really does. The one thing about Dasso is because it's a real product, it's, it is a composite, it's a, it bamboo mesh and you know, uh, they take bamboo strips and compress it with a resin. Right. Um, it is a composite, but it also will gray out over time. Right. So you do have to maintain that product with stain or clear coats or some sort of finish or if you want to keep that look. So, but yeah, if you're interested in it's daso X C R D A S S O. Yeah. We're checking out. It is a cool product. I, I really like a little more expensive than some of the other decking products, but I really absolutely love the look of it.
Speaker 2 00:27:00 Alright, the last guy here is, uh, is Base Aite. Yeah, that's right. Base Aite is a company that makes things out of concrete, concrete, concrete products. Concrete and concrete products, bagged concrete products, pavers, retaining wall blocks, pier blocks, um, cinder blocks. All of those things that are made out of concrete that you use, uh, outside in an outdoor living space. They make all that stuff and Par sells all that stuff. Yeah. They even have, uh, like outdoor living, what they call accessories. Oh yeah. That's a great, I have that, I have that accessories. We have those, uh, it's sort of like a, they have this, this uh, stone there they call tumbled and it's kind of rounded on its edges, you know? Yeah. And it's in porous. We use that to build a couple of benches in the backyard. And then there's, uh, columns, two foot by two foot columns that are about three or four feet tall in between those benches.
Speaker 2 00:27:53 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it's a very good look. Uh, we've got a fireplace, um, not a fireplace, a fire pit. A block fire pit in the backyard that was made by base light. Yeah. They, they make some pretty good stuff. Is it? Why would you call a fire pit? Why wouldn't a fire pit be a fireplace? I mean, this is where you put fire, right? It's a place, it's a place a fire where a fire is, you could call it a fireplace, but fireplace was already taken <laugh>, so they changed it, the pit. So they're like, shoot, what are we gonna call this one? Yep. A fire pit. It's a pit. 'cause you had to sort of hit a fire. Yes. It's a pitted. That's funny. Anyway, anyway, that, that pretty much wraps up the vendors here. You're forgetting one. Tony Fires, who else is here? Timber.
Speaker 2 00:28:31 Joey. Oh that's right. Timber here. You're a fan of the Portland Timbers. Yeah, he's here. His Joey's down there wearing his timber. Joey Gear's, he's uh, wielding his timber. Joey, he's sawing logs, but I'm not talking about sleeping <laugh>, but he is sawing, he's widing his timber got his chainsaw down there. He's tree cookies on. He's got two chainsaws down there. He is cutting tree cookies and then he is autographing them. Uh, very cool. Always good to see timber joy. What a great guy. And um, I wanna get one, I wanna get one of those hard hats that he has, you know, the metal hard hats. Yeah, very cool. Like an aluminum bear bear aluminum full ring all the way around. Yeah. Be nice to see one with a, with a Timbers logo right next to a Weakened Warrior's logo. Ooh, I'm in. Yeah, that would be cool.
Speaker 2 00:29:20 We need to make that happen. We do need to make that happen. All right, well that's all we got for you today. We're, uh, I think we're getting hungry. We can smell that Habu smoke cart from here. Probably gonna go check that out. So anyway, thanks for, uh, listening to us. If you got any questions or comments, you can leave those down below or uh, if you want to email us, it's Weekend
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