Lumberyard Lingo Vol 3

[00:00:04] Speaker A: Welcome to the weekend warriors home improvement show, built by bar lumber. When it comes to big or small projects around the home, Tony and Cory have got the know how and the answers to make your life just a bit easier. Here they are, your weekend warriors, Tony and Cory. [00:00:26] Speaker B: Hey, welcome to the weekend warriors home improvement show, built by par Lumber. I'm Cory Valdez. [00:00:32] Speaker C: And I'm Tony Cookston. [00:00:33] Speaker B: Thanks for tuning in with us today. We've got a really, really interesting show for you. We are adding on to our series that we've done on this show called Lumberyard Lingo. This is officially lumberyard lingo number three. [00:00:47] Speaker C: That's right. Lumberyard lingo three. We've talked about in previous shows, we've talked about dimensional lumber, all different kinds of dimensional lumber. [00:00:56] Speaker B: Shaped goods. [00:00:57] Speaker C: Yeah. And terms that are used to reference those products. And a lot of them have names that are sometimes seem silly or don't seem to really fit in with what the actual product is. And yet it's something that you would hear if you were to go into a lumberyard to buy those types of products. And so we also talked about sheet goods and another one, lumber yard lingo, too. And here we are, lumberyard lingo three. And I think we're going to try to focus on accessories to those types of items. Dimensional lumber and sheet goods. Those make up a large portion of what par lumber company sells or a building material supplier will sell. But then there's a lot of accessories that sell with those things, and they also seem to have specific terminology that set them apart from other types of items. [00:01:46] Speaker B: Right. And what these items are and what they do. So we're going to kind of go over some of those things. For instance, Tony, I remember way back when, many years ago, where I started in the construction materials supply, you know, my career at par lumber company, and somebody came in asking for a box of t coats. [00:02:08] Speaker C: Yeah, t cos that's a great term. [00:02:11] Speaker B: And I'm like, what in the world is a tqo? You know what I mean? [00:02:16] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:02:16] Speaker B: Like, I had no idea what a tcho was, so I had to ask. Yeah, I had to ask the guy working next to me, and he laughed. Oh, you don't know what a TQO is? And I'm like, I don't. I'm sorry, I'm new. I don't know what a tcho is. Well, it turns out it is a joist hanger nail, right? [00:02:37] Speaker C: Yeah. Joist hanger is something that holds up a joist and it has little holes in it on both sides. And you use a specific kind of nail with high shear value and are very short. [00:02:49] Speaker B: They're inch and a quarter or an inch and a half. So if you're nailing it onto, say, a two by ten that is an inch and a half thick, you won't nail through it. So that's what they are. [00:03:02] Speaker C: But why don't people call them joist hanger nails? [00:03:04] Speaker B: I don't know. I don't even know. Like, you search the word tico in nothing, you can't find anything. It's really weird. [00:03:11] Speaker C: It is funny. [00:03:13] Speaker B: I don't know. And maybe it's a regional thing. [00:03:16] Speaker C: You know, here's another term that is kind of funny. How about a board stretcher? Did any of your coworkers tell you to go grab the board stretcher? [00:03:26] Speaker B: I am not that. No, that board is too short, gullible. [00:03:30] Speaker C: We need a board stretcher to make it longer. That is definitely a term that gets used there, but there is no such thing, so. [00:03:37] Speaker B: Oh, so you know what I just googled? Sorry. I just googled Tico and a. You have to know how to spell it, which I do now. Tico is spelled Tico, and it was actually a brand name. [00:03:54] Speaker C: Oh, really? [00:03:54] Speaker B: A brand that no longer exists. A company called Teco that made these 0.148 diameter, inch and a half long nails specifically for hanging joist hangers. [00:04:08] Speaker C: So anyway, the company is now defunct. That is so funny. I feel like that's the case with a lot of things. A primary example, that name, obviously, Tico came from a brand like you just said. Another. Other names that come from brands that stick with something and you wouldn't know otherwise. Like Velcro. [00:04:28] Speaker B: Right. Yeah. [00:04:29] Speaker C: Velcro is a brand name of hook and loop or the hook and loop type attachment. And so, yeah, I mean, if. If you weren't thinking, if you weren't thinking along the right lines, then that. And of course, with the company being gone now, it makes sense that it would be kind of obscure. [00:04:47] Speaker B: I remember another one at that time where somebody came in asking me for a roll of leatherback. [00:04:54] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:04:55] Speaker B: I mean, and that. I mean, we've talked about this before because you. You had somebody who called OSB or something. Shimangi. [00:05:01] Speaker C: Shamangi. Yeah, yeah. Very common. [00:05:04] Speaker B: I still have never heard that from somebody's lips other than yours. [00:05:07] Speaker C: But you remembered it, though. [00:05:09] Speaker B: I do remember it. That's great. But it might be regional. So some of these things I would take with a grain of salt, you know, these are things in our industry that people use, and I'm sure they change, and it probably depends on where you are. If you're in Spokane, there's probably terminology used up there in lingo that probably make no sense to me. [00:05:27] Speaker C: Sure. [00:05:28] Speaker B: Maybe some of the things we're saying made no sense to you. [00:05:30] Speaker C: Sure. [00:05:31] Speaker B: But I think for the most part, we're not really focusing on the slang lingo in this show. We're talking about actual products and what they're used for. [00:05:43] Speaker C: Yeah, I think it's very funny. Weird one, because tqos are hot dipped. Yes, but, you know, hot dipped. What. What does that mean? [00:05:53] Speaker B: Right. [00:05:54] Speaker C: That's another kind of term that gets used for more than just t goes. [00:05:57] Speaker B: Right. Well, let's. Let's start off here. We've got. We kind of broke the show out into different sections. We're going to take. We're going to talk about fasteners, siding, maybe some window and doors. Just different terminology in there. So when you talk about fasteners, you. When somebody walks in the door and says, I need a box of vinyl coated sinkers. Well, you know, those are hand drive nails. You know that some people call them greenies. [00:06:25] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. [00:06:26] Speaker B: Greenies are also a dog treat. I don't know if you knew that. They clean their teeth, but the reason they call them greenies is because they're coated with a vinyl that makes them slippery when you nail them into wood. [00:06:40] Speaker C: And they're sort of like a lubricant, greenish yellow color. [00:06:42] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [00:06:43] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:06:44] Speaker B: So. But we know that because they don't make vinyl coated sinkers in a gun nail. So if you walked into the store and said, hey, give me, I need a box of, you know, three inch hot dip, galvanized, the first question out of the person behind the counter would say, gun or hand drive. [00:07:02] Speaker C: Right. [00:07:03] Speaker B: Hand drive means they're loose. You buy them by the pound. Some places still sell them by the pound. We sell them by the pound, but they're not really, like, loose in a bin anymore. We sell them in containers of one pound or five pound. [00:07:18] Speaker C: One pound ish and. Five pound ish. [00:07:20] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [00:07:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:07:21] Speaker B: It's like count. There's like 350 count. [00:07:24] Speaker C: But for so long, we did scoop them out of a bin. We had those little claw, like a little gardening tool, and you would reach in there and scrape those things out. [00:07:32] Speaker B: And 50 pound, you can still buy 25 pound and put them in a bag, boxes of them, throw them on. [00:07:37] Speaker C: A scale and weigh it. Yeah, that was it seems like it hasn't been that long ago. [00:07:41] Speaker B: Well, ten years, I think, because a majority of the industry has switched over to using pneumatic guns. You don't necessarily need hand drives in that quantity. [00:07:54] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:07:54] Speaker B: Anymore. So you'll get, you know, big time framers that will walk in and order a 50 pound box of, you know, ten d, which is a three inch, which we should probably talk about that too. [00:08:05] Speaker C: Oh, ten penny. [00:08:05] Speaker B: Ten penny. [00:08:06] Speaker C: Ten penny nail. [00:08:07] Speaker B: That's kind of an interesting one. [00:08:09] Speaker C: Yeah, tell me about that. What's a ten penny nail? [00:08:11] Speaker B: I don't have time. We got a break here. Coming. [00:08:13] Speaker C: Oh, we got. [00:08:14] Speaker B: Let's get into that after the break. That's a very interesting thing, terminology, when you talk about nails, is the penny. [00:08:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:08:21] Speaker B: Ten penny, 16 penny. [00:08:23] Speaker C: Yeah. I had somebody, a guy actually told me one time, it was an older guy, he says, like, well, that's how long it would be to reach the top of a stack of pennies. So if you stacked up ten pennies, then it would, you know, with ten pennies. And I remember doing the math on that, and I'm like, well, ten pennies is not three inches long. So I already know that didn't work. We gotta take a quick break. Don't go away, folks. We'll be right back with some lumberyard lingo. [00:09:09] Speaker A: You're listening to the weekend warriors home improvement show built by Paul Humbert. Now here's Tony and Corey. [00:09:22] Speaker B: Hey, welcome back to the weekend warriors home improvement show. Thanks for staying with us today. We're talking lumberyard lingo. And before the break, we were talking about fasteners. There's so many fasteners in the construction world, and especially with nails. Right. And you asked me before the break about the d, when you talk about. [00:09:43] Speaker C: Ten penny or ten D nail. [00:09:45] Speaker B: Ten D nail. So it's actually very interesting because. And I'll read the description here right from the website. Penny sizes originally referred to the price for 100 or long hundred of nails in England in the 15th century. The larger the nail, the higher cost per hundred. The system remained in use in England till the 20th century, where it's obsolete now. But we still continue to call them in the. The D is actually an abbreviation for denarius, which was a roman coin similar to penny. [00:10:22] Speaker C: Interesting. [00:10:22] Speaker B: That was an abbreviation for the monetary penny in the. In the UK before decimalization. [00:10:28] Speaker C: So a 16 penny nail would cost 16 pennies for 100 nails for 116 per hundred. Well, I mean, that makes more sense than the stack thing, because this just wasn't right. [00:10:40] Speaker B: So when you look at a chart, you know, we deal a lot in construction world. We deal a lot with six penny, seven penny 810, twelve and 16 beyond. That's not very common in our world. It probably would be more common in other. [00:10:56] Speaker C: We still mess with 20 penny galvanized common or 20 penny bright common, sometimes 40 penny commons for a pole barn application. [00:11:03] Speaker B: Sure. But that's what I mean. They're just not terribly right. You know, like when somebody walks in, you're probably selling them a box of ten D or 16 d. Right. I mean, that's kind of the norm. [00:11:14] Speaker C: Yeah, sure, sure. [00:11:16] Speaker B: Or ace. [00:11:17] Speaker C: Yeah. So something else that's interesting, nails, we call them sometimes box nails, finished nails, common nails, siding nails. There's a whole bunch of different kinds and they all go by the same designation with the penny. Right. But if somebody came to me and said, I need a five penny nail, a five penny nail to me would be a siding nail or a shake nail. [00:11:41] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, we designate it by what it's used for. [00:11:44] Speaker C: Right. [00:11:45] Speaker B: So if you. Somebody said, I need some sevens or some sixes, I need a box of spiral sixes. You kind of know. I kind of know that they're going to use that for siding because that's what the siding nails are for. They're two inches long and they're spiral and they're probably hot dipped or stainless steel. You know what I mean? So these are just the things you would want to know. But if you want, you can go find a chart online that has all of the d or penny descriptions from 2d, which is one inch all the way to 60 D, which is six inches and ten inches. Or a ten d is a three inch, 16 D's a three and a half. [00:12:21] Speaker C: Sure. [00:12:21] Speaker B: A twelve's a three and a quarter. I mean, these are just things that are. It's lingo, right? So when somebody comes in, or when you go in to buy a box of nails, you can probably tell them, I need a box of three inch gun nails. Or you could say, I need a box of tens. [00:12:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:12:37] Speaker B: Right? [00:12:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:12:38] Speaker B: Ten strip, ten d greenies or ten d strip nails. And that means they're in a collect for a pneumatic gun. [00:12:46] Speaker C: You keep saying hot dip, hot dip, hot dip. Versus what specifically? What are the other options? And what does hot dip even mean? Yeah. [00:12:55] Speaker B: So hot dip. So there's actually four different options. There's green, vinyl coated, there's electro galvanized, which a lot of guys call electros. I want a box of electros. Box electros or HDG or hot dips or bright. Mmm. [00:13:13] Speaker C: So when you say brights, I like my nails bright. [00:13:16] Speaker B: They are literally that they are shiny. They have no coating on them. If you were to take a shiny, bright nail and take it to the coast for one day, it would be completely rusty in 24 hours. [00:13:29] Speaker C: Right. [00:13:30] Speaker B: You know, you take an electro galvanized nail, it would take a little bit longer because the coating, electro galvanized coating is very thin. It's a galvanized coating, but it's just not very thick. [00:13:41] Speaker C: And it's applied with some kind of a charge or something. [00:13:43] Speaker B: Yeah, sure. I'm actually not positive on the scientific how they apply the coating on an electro galvanized nail, but I'm assuming by the name they're electro galvanized. Maybe they charge it and they put the galvanized coating on there. [00:13:58] Speaker C: I feel like I can tell by the description of a hot dipped galvanized nail. When I look at a hot dipped galvanized nail, it looks like it was dipped in some. It absolutely is some stuff, and then came out and, you know, some stuff is stuck to it. And sometimes it's, you know, it's not necessarily always super clean. Hot dip galvanized stuff looks like it was dipped in something and then set to dry. [00:14:20] Speaker B: Well, that's exactly what it is. It's a. It's a liquid form of zinc. It's like a process of iron and steel and zinc that they melt down, and then they literally take whatever steel that you're dumping into it and dip it. They dip it in there sometimes once or twice or more to get the coating thickness around it. And the reason they do that is for the protection of the nail itself. So we, we know that if you use pressure treated lumber, you have to use hot dipped galvanized nails. And if you don't, then the reaction, because there's copper in pt, it will react with the zinc and create electrolysis and prematurely rust those nails out. We know that. Some of our, a lot of our listeners probably know that, but they may not know the reason why. But that's it. Hot dip galvanized nails. That's what those are for. So you might get that question, too. [00:15:23] Speaker C: So you have to use hot dip galvanized nails with pressure treated as a minimum. [00:15:26] Speaker B: As a minimum. [00:15:27] Speaker C: You can also jump up to stainless steel, which is really probably preferred. I feel like the problem is stainless steel is much harder to come by. It costs a little bit more money. It's not available in all of the, you know, sizes and things that, that may be just readily available right on the shelf. It just seems to be in a little shorter supply. And it costs a little bit more money. But stainless steel, for sure, is the number one way to go, especially if you're at the beach. [00:15:53] Speaker B: Yeah. If you're within, I forget what it is, like 500 yards of the beach, you absolutely want to use stainless steel hangers and stainless steel nails, fasteners for anything, because everything else, even if it's hot dipped, that salty rust, that salt air will rust it so fast. [00:16:11] Speaker C: Yeah. Stainless steel seems to be the number one choice for fasteners or hardware or anything that you're using that is susceptible to rust, aka, it's the best. Right. And then the another thing that's similar to that is aluminum. Aluminum is an alloy that will not rust, but it doesn't have the strength that these fasteners have, so, you know, it's not used in the same way. [00:16:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Another actually good part about stainless steel nails is that they are, they're more malleable than like, a harder steel. So in a really high wind or something like that, where they're. They're moving. Constantly moving. If you were to take a stainless steel nail and bend it back and forth and back and forth and back and forth and back and forth, it wouldn't break as quickly as a steel head nail would, right? [00:17:11] Speaker C: Sure. [00:17:12] Speaker B: Right. Sheer strength on a, on a, it may not be as strong, but it's more malleable. [00:17:17] Speaker C: So if you're talking about a box nail, a ten penny galvanized hot dip galvanized box nail versus a ten penny hot dip galvanized common, you actually wouldn't find a hot dipped galvanized common. I feel like common nails are mostly available in bright. Common nails are bright box nails are galvanized. But the difference between the two of them, apart from the coating, is, is that a common nail is much thicker. It's a, it's a larger gauge wire that it's made out of. [00:17:49] Speaker B: That's. That's exactly it. I mean, it's all, that's how nails are made. They run them through. It's like wire on a spool that they run through a machine. They cut them, they smash them, they put the head on there. Box nails are little bit thinner, shank, less likely to split the wood that you're using them on. So it just depends on what you're making in the construction industry. Commons are more common. Yeah. As weird as that sound, I mean, I guess it doesn't sound weird, but interesting. [00:18:19] Speaker C: Yeah. Here's a little tip. I just want to share this with you. If you're using a nail and you're doing some woodwork, some sort of woodwork, and you're nailing it together, like maybe a birdhouse or something. If you've got a sharp point on your nail and you use it to put two pieces of wood together, there's a good possibility it'll split. One way to keep that from happening is to take your hammerhead and blunt the tip of that nail before you drive it in, and there's less likelihood that it will cause the wood to split. [00:18:48] Speaker B: That's absolutely right. [00:18:49] Speaker C: It's a great little tip that I learned some time ago, and I thought I would share it. We gotta take a quick break. When we come back, more lumberyard lingo. Don't go away. [00:19:06] Speaker A: You're listening to the Weeknd warriors home improvement show, built by parl Umber. Now here's Tony and Corey. [00:19:20] Speaker B: Hey, welcome back to the weekend warriors home improvement show. Thanks for staying with us. Hey, if you haven't already, go check out our Facebook and Instagram pages. We are home show. Or we'd really like it if you went and liked and followed our YouTube channel. If you go to YouTube.com and search the Weekend warriors home improvement show, that'll bring us up. If you can't figure any of that stuff out, you can always go to our website, it's wwhomeshow.com, and click on the whatever, the links there, and that'll take you over to it. If you miss any part of this show and you want to go listen to it or any of our old shows, we got all of them listed on wherever you listen to your podcasts, iHeartradio, Spotify, Google Play, and Apple podcasts. [00:20:05] Speaker C: I downloaded iheartradio. Oh, you did the iHeartRadio app on my phone. And I went in there and I searched the Weeknd warriors home improvement show and I found it and subscribed to it and downloaded it. Right. Because I normally listen to it always on Spotify. Because I use Spotify a lot, but I thought I might as well have it on iHeartradio. So I grabbed the app and I got it on there and I started listening to a show, and then I got interrupted. I was at work and I just set my phone down. It played through shows for like the next 5 hours. But here's the thing, you know what I didn't realize? My Internet, my wifi was turned off, and so I used my mobile data to listen to like 20 episodes of our show. Yeah, racked up a pretty good amount of data on my phone and I didn't even listen to it. [00:20:58] Speaker B: That's hilarious. [00:21:00] Speaker C: But, yeah. Iheartradio. We're on there. It works. IHeartradio with Spotify. It's good. [00:21:04] Speaker B: Not that you'd want to. I don't know. [00:21:06] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't know who you want. [00:21:07] Speaker B: To, if you want to. [00:21:08] Speaker C: I want to, but that's me. [00:21:10] Speaker B: All right, so we're talking about lumberyard lingo today. We actually have been really focusing on fasteners. There's so many different fasteners in the construction industry. We've talked about hand drive versus gun nails, vinyl coated, electro galvanized, hop dipped, galvanized T cos, box nails, common nails, spiral siding. I mentioned those. There's also ring shank, and these things are used for very specific tasks. Ring shank nails offer better holding power. You'll see a lot of them used for siding. So that way when the wind comes in and blows, it won't pull the clapboards off, it'll hold them tighter to the surface. [00:21:54] Speaker C: Particle board, subfloor. [00:21:55] Speaker B: Yeah, particle board, subfloor. [00:21:56] Speaker C: Ring shank nails. Always particle board subfloor. [00:21:59] Speaker B: You don't want those squeaks because when. [00:22:01] Speaker C: You'Re pulling it up and they're so hard to get out, it's the most frustrating thing on the planet. But boy, oh, boy. Do those nails hold good? [00:22:08] Speaker B: Yeah, they hold hard. Duplex. Do you know what duplex nails are for, Tony? [00:22:12] Speaker C: I do. They are for building a form. [00:22:15] Speaker B: Yep. [00:22:16] Speaker C: Concrete form. [00:22:17] Speaker B: A lot of guys use it for that. Yep. [00:22:19] Speaker C: And here's the thing. It's got two heads. It's got a double head. A duplex. That's why they call it a duplex. It's got two heads and you can nail it in tight down to the first head. But then that second head there just makes it so much easier to get it back out. That's right. The first head will drive down tight and make that nail tight. And then it has this extra second little bit there with a second head on it so you can get it out easy. Put it in, get it out. Put it in, get it out. [00:22:43] Speaker B: Yep. You can use a nail puller on it or whatever just to get. To get them out. They're basically for temporary things. [00:22:50] Speaker C: Exactly. For temporary use in the easy in, easy out. [00:22:53] Speaker B: That's what dupes are for. [00:22:54] Speaker C: Yeah. And they are not galvanized because they're temporary. [00:22:56] Speaker B: Yep. They don't matter. Yeah. If you walked in and ordered, tried to order a box of hot dip galvanized duplex nails, they'd probably look at you weird. [00:23:04] Speaker C: Yeah. Why in the world fluted masonry nails, that's kind of a, that's kind of an odd duck, isn't it? [00:23:11] Speaker B: Yeah. Fluted masonry nails are. Can you drive them into concrete? They actually will drive directly into somewhat fresh concrete. Yeah, they're very hard. [00:23:21] Speaker C: It's extremely interesting that you think about driving a nail into concrete, but it's, it's literally what that's for. [00:23:26] Speaker B: Yep. They're, you don't have to pre drill or anything. [00:23:28] Speaker C: And they are fat. [00:23:29] Speaker B: Yeah, they're fat and they're, they have a very sharp tip and they're hard. [00:23:33] Speaker C: Yep, they are. And then, of course, the last of which is roofing nails. Roofing nail is unique because the head on the nail is so much bigger. Around large diameter on the head of a roofing nail. [00:23:47] Speaker B: You can probably guess why, because it's. [00:23:50] Speaker C: Holding down roofing and you wouldn't want the nail to poke through the roofing and then the roofing would get free. Right? [00:23:56] Speaker B: That's exactly right. [00:23:56] Speaker C: And so it's got a larger, it's not very thick, but it's a large diameter head. And those nails are traditionally on the shorter side. You can find those in a three quarter, one inch, inch and a quarter, inch and a half. And here's something that's interesting, Corey. There is seems to be two schools of thought with roofing nails. If you're putting down roofing and you're nailing it down with roofing nails, is. [00:24:22] Speaker B: It roofing or roofing? [00:24:24] Speaker C: It could be roofing or roofing the roof of my mouth if you're putting the roofing nails down. Right. Do you want that nail to poke through the sheeting and be, and be exposed on the underneath side of the roof in the attic space? Or do you want that nail to terminate in the middle of the sheeting? [00:24:48] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:24:49] Speaker C: There's two schools of thought there. I feel like some people are like, oh, I don't want the nail to poke through. And then other guys are like, oh, no, the nail needs to poke through. The nail pokes through. Then your water that were to get there and run down the nail would come all the way out and not terminate inside of the sheeting where it would cause it to rot. [00:25:10] Speaker B: I don't know. Maybe we get some roofers, some, some professional. [00:25:13] Speaker C: We need to get some tips from one of our listeners that can tell us about whether or not a, a roofing nail is intended to break the interior surface of your roof sheeting. [00:25:25] Speaker B: I can think of a situation where you absolutely. Would not want the roofing nail to puncture through. [00:25:32] Speaker C: Okay. [00:25:33] Speaker B: On an overhang. [00:25:34] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. You wouldn't want to be able to see it. [00:25:36] Speaker B: Right. So on an overhang, you know, when. [00:25:38] Speaker C: It talks, exposed eve, the roof tails. [00:25:40] Speaker B: The truss tails or roof rafters come out, then you have the plywood that covers that area. And typically, if they're not, like you said, enclosed, enclosed soffits are different. But you would see that plywood up there on the surface, and it's nailed down. It's. You still have to use roofing nails. [00:26:00] Speaker C: Right. [00:26:00] Speaker B: So they actually will use a shorter nail to ensure that it doesn't puncture through. And you see on the underhand or the overhangs, a bunch of little nails. [00:26:09] Speaker C: Yeah. Interesting. Very interesting. [00:26:11] Speaker B: I actually have a customer, you know, this customer, well, they use half inch roof sheathing for their whole roofs, except for the overhangs. They use five eight. [00:26:21] Speaker C: Oh, interesting. [00:26:22] Speaker B: No matter what, they always use five eight. So they will ensure that the roofing nails do not puncture that. Because when you get it punctured, it looks terrible. Yeah, it really does. [00:26:32] Speaker C: Yep, absolutely. [00:26:33] Speaker B: So they do that, and then they float it out with a row of roofing where the five eight meets the half inch. You never even see it. [00:26:41] Speaker C: You know, they don't always use roofing nails when they put roofing down. Sometimes they use roofing staples. [00:26:45] Speaker B: That's right. [00:26:46] Speaker C: Very common. [00:26:46] Speaker B: Staples is the next one on my list. [00:26:47] Speaker C: Yeah, very common. To use a roofing staple that, of course, you can't drive with your. With a nail, with a hammer. You have to put that staple in there. With a gun? [00:26:56] Speaker B: Yes, a staple gun. There's two ways, or there's two things about staples. Well, I guess three that you would need to. When you order staples or buy a box of staples, they're gonna want to know the crown, and they're gonna want to know the legs. [00:27:11] Speaker C: The crown. [00:27:12] Speaker B: We're not talking about royalty, okay? The crown and the legs is the. [00:27:18] Speaker C: Two most important things. The crown and the legs. [00:27:20] Speaker B: We're talking about the width. The crown means the width. So if you have a quarter crown, that means it's a quarter inch wide staple, and then the legs is the length of the staple. So that's all that means. [00:27:32] Speaker C: A quarter inch crown, one inch staple. [00:27:34] Speaker B: Yep. And quarter inch wide, one inch long. [00:27:37] Speaker C: And then you have the gauge. [00:27:39] Speaker B: The gauge. [00:27:39] Speaker C: The wire gauge. [00:27:40] Speaker B: Yeah, the wire gauge and then the coating. So most of them would be electro galvanized. I'm not sure if you can get. Actually depends on the staple. You might be able to get hot dipped. [00:27:51] Speaker C: You could definitely get stainless steel. [00:27:52] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, for sure. [00:27:54] Speaker C: Yeah. And then, so that just leaves one staple, which is a fence staple. They make these fence staples, which looks like a nail that's sort of been bent into the shape of a U. And you use that to nail on, say, a horse fence or some sort of wire fencing. And when you put that wire fencing up on the post, you nail it with these galvanized fence staples that are like three quarter or inch and a quarter long or so. You drive that with a hammer. [00:28:24] Speaker B: Well, wire, wire staples, too. [00:28:27] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:28:28] Speaker B: Elect for electrical. [00:28:29] Speaker C: Yep, that's right. Yeah. Romex Staples. [00:28:31] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [00:28:32] Speaker C: Kind of got a flat top on them. Yeah. That's another interesting thing. Even think about that. And that's not even about framing with it. There certainly is a lot to talk about. [00:28:41] Speaker B: We've got a few more fasteners, but they won't be in the nails. [00:28:44] Speaker C: No. We're going to move into somewhere. Don't go away, folks. Folks, we got lots more lingo for you. You're listening to Tony, Corey, your weekend warriors, hanging there. [00:29:07] Speaker A: You're listening to the Weeknd warriors home improvement show built by parl Umber. Now here's Tony and Corey. [00:29:20] Speaker B: Hey, welcome back to the weekend warriors home improvement show. Thanks for sticking around today. Tony and I are talking about Lumberyard lingo and we've been talking about nails, man, for the last three segments. There's a lot there are, you know, and we just want you to be informed because when you go into the front counter and you order a box of ardocs. [00:29:41] Speaker C: So funny. That's a spiral shank nail. [00:29:43] Speaker B: It is the spiral shank nail specifically designed for decking. [00:29:46] Speaker C: That's right, because you don't want your decking coming up. And those spiral shank nails, when they go in, boy, they don't want to come out well. [00:29:52] Speaker B: And specifically, ardocks have a finnish head on them. [00:29:56] Speaker C: That's right. [00:29:57] Speaker B: They're very small head. So when you nail down your cedar decking, you want to use ardocks. [00:30:02] Speaker C: Yeah, they would actually, in the size that a decking nail comes in, they would call it a casing head instead of a finish head. Correct. Finish heads technically are much smaller nails, but they look the same, just a larger version. [00:30:13] Speaker B: Yeah, but weeds, now I know, but. [00:30:15] Speaker C: A lot of guys that are putting down wood decking definitely want to have a nail with a box head on it. But those guys, I feel like are fewer and further between these days. [00:30:26] Speaker B: Most decking going down now is probably composite. [00:30:29] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:30:30] Speaker B: And hidden fastener anyway. [00:30:32] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:30:32] Speaker B: A lot of surface dying. [00:30:35] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely. So then there's fasteners that are so much larger than nails, and there's a lot of those bolts. Yeah, bolts. We call them bolts. Right. [00:30:46] Speaker B: Lots of different types of bolts, too. [00:30:47] Speaker C: X bolts, lag bolts, carriage bolts. What's a carriage bolt? [00:30:52] Speaker B: A carriage bolt is that bolt that's. [00:30:55] Speaker C: Used when you build a carriage. [00:30:57] Speaker B: Maybe it was at some point, but a carriage bolt is. Has a rounded top on it. [00:31:06] Speaker C: Very, very finished looking. [00:31:08] Speaker B: Yeah. You would see carriage bolts used where a. You don't want somebody to be able to unthread them. [00:31:16] Speaker C: Like a. Like a play structure. [00:31:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:18] Speaker C: Like, very common. [00:31:18] Speaker B: Yeah. It's like, maybe like a security thing where. And they're rounded over, so you're not gonna get any sharp edges on them. Yeah. You would see them there. Yeah. That's exactly what is just rounded over. And then when you tighten the bolt, they actually have a square on the bottom. So when you push them into wood, they kind of lock into place. [00:31:36] Speaker C: Yeah. Right below the round head. The finished head is a square. Like a. Kind of like a nut that's built on there. [00:31:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:43] Speaker C: And then as you tighten it down, that square drives into the wood and locks it into place so that you can turn the nut down tight on the other end and it doesn't spin. Yeah, it's a very cool, very cool, fast bolt. [00:31:57] Speaker B: Carriage bolt. And I'm actually going to look up the. I don't know where the origination of the carriage bolt came from. [00:32:03] Speaker C: You know, doing the same job as a carriage bolt is a hex bolt. But a hex bolt has a big head on it that stays on the outside. And you can put a wrench right on it. It's, like, octagonal in shape, usually, I think. And you can put a wrench on it and then put the wrench on the other side to spin the nut. [00:32:20] Speaker B: Tight on a nut. [00:32:21] Speaker C: Yeah. Very common. If you find these things in quarter inch, three, eight, half inch, maybe even 516, all the way up to inch and a quarter. [00:32:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:31] Speaker C: I mean, inch and a quarter bolt is a big old hex bolt, I'll tell you. But they use them to build houses today. [00:32:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Very strong. [00:32:38] Speaker C: Very, very strong. [00:32:39] Speaker B: Then you get into a lag bolt. A lag bolt, which is completely different from a hex bolt. [00:32:45] Speaker C: It's funny because the word lag reminds me of when you're playing pool and each of you hit the cue ball down to the other side and see who can get closest to the rail coming back. They call that lag. Let's lag for break. Have you ever heard that? [00:33:00] Speaker B: I've never heard that. [00:33:01] Speaker C: Really? Yeah. Let's lag for break. [00:33:03] Speaker B: I think when the young crowd hears the term lag, they think of a video game slowing down. Lag. I hear my kids say it now all the time, oh, I've got lag or glitch. [00:33:18] Speaker C: Yeah. That's funny. [00:33:18] Speaker B: Glitching. [00:33:20] Speaker C: So lag bolts have a head just like a hex bolt, but it doesn't take a nut on the other side. This actually has. Comes to a point, pierces the. The material that you're putting it into, like a screw. So it's kind of like a mix between a screw and a. And a hex bolt. It's got big old threads on it. And again, those come pretty big, you know, half inch, five eight, three quarters inch around really beefy bolts that you drive in. And, boy, when you're driving a lag bolt, a big lag bolt into some wood, it can be a job getting that thing driven in there. Pre drilling before you put a big old half or five eight slag bolt into a piece of wood is a good way to go. [00:34:00] Speaker B: Yeah. Almost necessary. [00:34:01] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:34:02] Speaker B: I mean, if you're driving in smaller quarter inch lag bolts, you probably don't need to pre drill. But, yeah, you get into a half inch 5834, it's. I would say it's necessary. Otherwise, you're just gonna really, really work hard at it and possibly split the wood. [00:34:16] Speaker C: Yeah. And you just wanna make sure that you drill your hole, you know, quite a bit smaller than the lag, actually, is. You wanna make sure that the threads on that thing really bite in, but it shouldn't have to displace all of that wood. [00:34:29] Speaker B: Correct. [00:34:29] Speaker C: So that's a good tip. [00:34:31] Speaker B: Here's a funny one for you. A redhead, you know what? A redhead. I mean, I work with a couple redheads, but when somebody walks into the store and orders redheads, I mean, we both know what they're talking about. [00:34:44] Speaker C: Yeah. Redhead, very common term. [00:34:46] Speaker B: It's a. It's actually a brand. Redhead is a brand, okay, of a wedge anchor. And what that means is it goes into concrete, and it has, at the bottom, it's like a bolt that goes down into the concrete, and then it's threaded and you put a washer and a nut on it, and as you thread it down on the other end that's in the concrete, it has like a cone shaped metal, like a bell shaped bottle shaped at the bottom with a sliding sleeve with little nubbins on. [00:35:19] Speaker C: It, and the sleeve will not slide over the bell because the bell is larger at the bottom than the sleeve. Is. [00:35:25] Speaker B: Correct. [00:35:25] Speaker C: The sleeve is around the smaller portion of the shank. [00:35:27] Speaker B: So. And as you tighten it up, that sleeve grabs the concrete that you've pre drilled and it expands, essentially wedging that threaded bolt into the concrete. [00:35:41] Speaker C: Right. [00:35:42] Speaker B: That's why they call them wedge anchors. [00:35:44] Speaker C: Yeah. And the threading is up at the top. That's what sticks out of the hole, and that's what you fasten down with. Very important, when you're using a redhead or a wedge anchor, that you leave enough thread at the top or bury enough thread at the top so that when you're tightening that thing down, it can slip up a little bit. Wait until it finds its locking point and you still have thread to run your nut down. And also make sure that you are counting for the thickness of the material that you're holding down to the concrete. [00:36:12] Speaker B: Correct. [00:36:13] Speaker C: Yeah. So it can be. It can be. It could be tricky. Right. Another thing to keep in mind when you're using a wedge anchor, or redhead, is to the thickness of the concrete that you're putting it into. If you've got a four inch concrete slab and you buy a five inch wedge anchor, you may be reaching the bottom of your concrete. [00:36:34] Speaker B: You could drill through your slab, drill. [00:36:35] Speaker C: Right through your slab, and end up not doing yourself any favors. [00:36:38] Speaker B: Yeah. Then in that application, you could always switch to a titan bolt, which is very similar to a lag bolt. But Simpson strong tie makes them. They're like a threaded concrete anchor that you thread into it just like you would into wood. [00:36:56] Speaker C: Much easier to use. Yes. [00:36:58] Speaker B: Yeah. Titans are really, really cool. They also make what's called a pin drive or an easy. [00:37:05] Speaker C: An easy anchor. [00:37:05] Speaker B: Easy anchor, yeah, easy a, we call them. [00:37:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:37:09] Speaker B: What those are is like a wedge anchor, but on through the middle, it's hollow, and through the middle is a long pin with a point on it. And on the other end, you drive it down, you hit it, you put it in the hole, and you hit the hammer, drives that pin down, and it wedges out. [00:37:25] Speaker C: It spreads the bottom. [00:37:26] Speaker B: Yep. Spreads the bottom. [00:37:27] Speaker C: Yeah. It's got a little pie shape cut into the bottom down there. And as the pin goes through it, it opens that up and doesn't allow that thing to come back out again. The key being your, your. The bottom of that anchor needs to be solidly into the concrete slab. [00:37:43] Speaker B: Right. [00:37:43] Speaker C: You're attaching to. [00:37:44] Speaker B: You've gone through the slab, it will not work. [00:37:46] Speaker C: Yeah, that's absolutely right. That's. That's great. Those are great products. I love those products. [00:37:50] Speaker B: Yeah. So another one for concrete would be. We talked about a tighten bolt. There's also smaller tighten screws that are threaded screws specifically designed for pre drilling into concrete and threading them in. If you were hanging a mailbox onto a brick wall or something, you would use tighten screws. [00:38:08] Speaker C: Yeah, they call them blue screws or concrete screws. [00:38:10] Speaker B: Yep. [00:38:11] Speaker C: Those are very common. [00:38:12] Speaker B: Those are fantastic. [00:38:13] Speaker C: Again, important to make sure that the hole that you drill, pre screwing in is the right size. Generally, they will actually require a hole that's the same size as the call out of the screw. And so the gauge of the screw itself, or the gauge of the main shank of the screw is the same size as the hole you drill, but the threading is larger than that. [00:38:35] Speaker B: Yeah. Another one. Split bolt. Those are kind of a weird one. [00:38:40] Speaker C: Yeah, it is very cool. [00:38:41] Speaker B: Sell lots of split bolts. They're actually. They look like really heavy duty nails, maybe like a quarter inch in diameter. And at the very end of them, they're split and rounded. So as you nail them in, that split that's bent out causes friction inside that hole. So you can nail things to concrete with just a nail. You wouldn't want to use them, say, like on a ceiling. Right. If you had a concrete ceiling and you put a split bolt in there to hold something up. That's not what they're for. They're more for shear. So if you're nailing something to a wall, they wouldn't allow it to slide down. You're putting that shear horizontally across the nail rather than pull out strength. [00:39:29] Speaker C: Right. [00:39:29] Speaker B: Right. Pull out strength of a split bolt isn't very high. [00:39:34] Speaker C: Yeah, that's a very unique item, actually. Okay, we gotta take another quick break. When we come back, more lumberyard lingo will be right there. [00:39:55] Speaker A: You're listening to the Weeknd warriors home improvement show, built by parl Umber. When it comes to big or small projects around the home, Tony and Corey, you've got the know how and the answers. To make your life just a bit easier, here's Tony and Cory. [00:40:14] Speaker B: Hey, welcome back to the Weekend warriors home improvement show. Thanks for staying with us. I'm Cory Valdez. [00:40:19] Speaker C: And I'm Tony Cookston. [00:40:20] Speaker B: Today we're talking about lumber yard lingo, and the whole first half, man, was about fasteners, and I have a few fasteners left. [00:40:29] Speaker C: Oh, man. [00:40:30] Speaker B: I know. I feel really bad about this but there are, there's a brand of fastener called Fastenmaster. [00:40:38] Speaker C: That's right. Fastenmaster makes a great product. [00:40:40] Speaker B: They make lots of great products. And they make products called ledger lock is probably their most famous. It's specifically for threading on, like a ledger for a deck. The one ledger lock is equivalent to a half inch lag, but they drive in a lot easier. There's much smaller diameter, but it's hardened steel. They're coated. They also make headlocks and timber locks. So if you're interested in those, instead of pre drilling for half inch lags and, you know, going out buying lag screws and a bolt, you can use ledger locks. It even comes with the bit. So go check that out [email protected]. great product. [00:41:25] Speaker C: Yeah. Agreed. [00:41:26] Speaker B: Man. Should we, we probably shouldn't even talk about these pin nails. Brad nails, finished nails. [00:41:33] Speaker C: So we didn't talk a lot about finished nails. But it is notable if you're doing interior finish work or if you fancy yourself a craftsman. You know, when it comes to woodworking, you know, you're probably going to be using smaller, finer nails and not those big, you know, framing type things. And you can buy hand drive finish nails. They're used less and less these days. It's so easy to get your hands on, on a Brad nailer or a finished nailer or a micro pinner. These are, these are tiny little nails. I mean, they're tiny. They're not even really nails. They're, they're brads. [00:42:10] Speaker B: They have no head on them. [00:42:11] Speaker C: Yeah, they call them brads. It's just like, it's magically inserting a very short, small, insignificant piece of wire in between two pieces of wood. You almost can't even see it once it's in there. And yet it holds those things together with friction alone. Yeah, with friction. Anyways, very cool. They sell in a box, you know, of, I don't know, 5000, which seems like a lot. But, you know, if you use your Brad nailer or your pinner a lot, you'll go through them. [00:42:39] Speaker B: I do want to go over one more situation with fasteners. You know, everybody kind of knows the strip nail. They come in long strips. It is notable that different pneumatic guns can take different strip nails depending on the gun that you have, the angle at which the rack is at, and. [00:43:04] Speaker C: The coalition as well. [00:43:05] Speaker B: Yeah. So some nail guns are at a different degree. [00:43:09] Speaker C: 21 degree, for example. [00:43:11] Speaker B: 21 degrees, probably your most common. But they also make a 25 degree or something. I don't remember because we don't sell a ton of them. But if you try to put those nails in your gun, they won't fire. They'll just jam up. [00:43:24] Speaker C: Right. [00:43:24] Speaker B: You have to kind of rack it just to get it in there. Won't work. [00:43:27] Speaker C: Yeah. Years ago. And there's. We don't see them very much anymore. Senkou made a paper collated nail, which had a clipped head. And so later, after clipped heads were very, very popular, there was a code change, and a full, full round head was required. And so when they. When a full round head was required, they had to change the coalition from paper to plastic coalition, which actually, now, when the nails are in the rack of the gun, you can see that there's spaces between the nails. Before, when it was a clipped head, the nails were actually tight together, and they were just collated with paper. [00:44:02] Speaker B: Well, that's why they were clipped. [00:44:03] Speaker C: Yeah. And some of those. Some of those guns, because senco makes a great product. Some of those guns are still around today. But finding paper correlated clipped head nails can be challenging. [00:44:14] Speaker B: Well, it probably depends on the market that you're in. Um, a lot of the rules regarding those nails, particularly, are seismic related. So we live in a seismic area. Right? Oregon, Washington, California. [00:44:28] Speaker C: We. [00:44:29] Speaker B: We know that we have different design criteria for our homes. They're engineered to withstand earthquakes just the way it is. So clipped head nails don't meet that criteria. So you. You go over to the midwest, and I'm sure you can buy clipped head nails. [00:44:47] Speaker C: Yeah, I was. [00:44:48] Speaker B: Guarantee it. [00:44:49] Speaker C: But you will find, like, for example, you talked about joist hanger nails or tico nails earlier. They do make a product called strap. They make a gun called a strap tight gun. And that strap tight brand of Hitachi, I think, is the maker of that. [00:45:04] Speaker B: Metabo. [00:45:04] Speaker C: Metabo now. Yeah. Those strap tight nails are also paper collated, which is different than plastic collated. And then, of course, you were talking about these types of strip nails and the different angles that they could be. And then, of course, you go away from that. And another gun nail is a coil nail. It's not a strip at all. [00:45:21] Speaker B: Right? [00:45:22] Speaker C: It comes in a coil, and you have to have a coil gun to go with your coil nail or a strip nailer to go with your strip nails. [00:45:29] Speaker B: Most often, coil nailers are used for roofing, siding, sometimes framing, but not usually. You would see them when they're nailing off sheathing. [00:45:40] Speaker C: Sure. [00:45:40] Speaker B: So the biggest nail you'd probably put in there would be like a two and three, eight. [00:45:44] Speaker C: Speaking of seismic. Seismic anomalies. There's a lot of hardware out there that's needed specifically for that. I feel like when we talk about joist hangers or, you know, column caps or post bases, that kind of stuff, that is all hardware. What we buy and sell is made by Simpson. There's other brands of hardware out there. [00:46:11] Speaker B: But Simpson's the, probably the most common. [00:46:14] Speaker C: Simpson hardware is used when you're trying to meet code and you're building your structure. And the code is pretty partial to or because of seismic requirements. [00:46:27] Speaker B: That's correct. And it's funny because seismic requirements in the state of Oregon at least. I mean, you think about earthquakes, you think of California, right? We don't have earthquakes here in the Pacific Northwest. But the fact is we live in a very seismic hotbed. [00:46:45] Speaker C: We're in the ring of fire. [00:46:46] Speaker B: We just don't, we just haven't seen it yet. So they, they know that something's coming. [00:46:51] Speaker C: Somebody's seen it. [00:46:52] Speaker B: They know that something's coming. They just haven't seen it yet. So they actually didn't know about it. They've realized it over the years. So now we're designing and building houses to this really high seismic standard. And what we mean by that, and what we mean by that is that it didn't really become popular until, what, the late nineties, maybe even the two thousands where you really started to see it pop up in code. So when you talk to the old timers that come in, say, well, I built a deck on my house 30 years ago. I need to replace it. I didn't have all, any of that fancy hardware. You know, you nailed the beam to the top of the post and you rolled with it. It's not like that anymore. There are, I mean, the Simpson catalog now is like 300 pages. It's crazy. So just keep that in mind. There's hangers, post caps, hold downs, hurricane. [00:47:46] Speaker C: Clips, straps, so many. [00:47:49] Speaker B: So you, you, you may not have seen something like that in the past, but you definitely will if you go to do a remodel. [00:47:57] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:47:58] Speaker B: In this day and age. [00:47:59] Speaker C: Absolutely. And they, and they can be very helpful in multiple ways. Even if you're not trying to meet code or trying to seismically improve your situation. They come in handy because they replace other alternatives for putting things together. It makes it a little stronger, just makes it a little easier to do, I feel like. [00:48:25] Speaker B: Well, absolutely. [00:48:26] Speaker C: So that's why that's there. And it's, it's a lot. There's a lot. [00:48:30] Speaker B: And Simpson makes almost a strap or a hanger or something. For almost every application known to man. [00:48:37] Speaker C: I'll just tell you we've got more lumberyard lingo when we come back. Don't go away. [00:48:57] Speaker A: You're listening to the Weeknd warriors home improvement show, built by Barl Humber. Now here's Tony and Cory. [00:49:10] Speaker B: Hey, welcome back to the weekend warriors home improvement show. Thanks for staying with us today. We're talking about lumberyard lingo, which happens to be our third in a series of shows where we talk about terminology that we use in the lumberyard. [00:49:26] Speaker C: Yeah, there's a lot. I mean, we kind of don't even, we don't even have a full grasp of all of the things that we say on a regular basis that we just take for granted that everybody knows that everybody knows what that is. Yeah, that's true. [00:49:42] Speaker B: And whether you're getting a job at a lumber yard or you just want to go into a lumberyard and buy some materials, these are just things to help you out so you kind of know your way around. You can kind of sling some words at some people feel a little bit. [00:49:58] Speaker C: More at home at your, at your building material supply store. [00:50:01] Speaker B: That's right. So let's move on. We talked about a lot about fasteners and hangers. Let's move on to siding. [00:50:10] Speaker C: Well, that sounds exciting. [00:50:12] Speaker B: Egg sighting. [00:50:13] Speaker C: Egg sighting, yes. There's a lot about siding. Siding is a lot. There's a lot of components that go into siding, the different kinds of siding. And so, yeah, there's a lot outside that, on the outside, the envelope of the home or the exterior. There's a lot to talk about there. [00:50:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Should we talk about weather resistant barriers first? [00:50:35] Speaker C: WRB, work our way out. [00:50:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:37] Speaker C: WRB is a great place to start. [00:50:39] Speaker B: WRB, which stands for weather resistant barrier or water resistant barrier, basically is when you put siding or clapboards or whatever kind of siding you put on a home as the exterior finish, brick, whatever it is behind that, you need some sort of barrier to prevent moisture from coming into your home. [00:51:04] Speaker C: In years past, that would be snorkel paper. [00:51:08] Speaker B: Yeah, snorkel paper or 15 pound felt or 30 pound felt, which is a thing of the past. Now they're the newer ones we're talking about. [00:51:18] Speaker C: Or super jumbotek, super Jumbotex. [00:51:22] Speaker B: Now we're talking about products like Tyvek that are. Or rain screen. Now, when you hear the term rain screen, it's kind of a funny term, right? [00:51:32] Speaker C: Rain screen, especially since it sounds like it would be screening rain when really it's not doing that at all. [00:51:40] Speaker B: Well, what it. Basically, what it is, is a layer of air space between your building and your siding. And the reason we do that is so that any moisture that gets behind the siding doesn't have an opportunity to make its way into your home. [00:52:01] Speaker C: Yeah, let's actually add a layer to that. It's between your sub sheeting and your siding. [00:52:07] Speaker B: Correct. There's a sheeting on the exterior of your house, whether it's plywood or OSB or something. And over that is your layer of weather resistant barrier. And then your siding. That. That is the last line of defense or the first line of defense against water coming in as rain form. Right. Hitting. Hitting your side of your house and not coming into your home. Well, there's lots of science in regards to why rain screens work the way they do. And they. The basic reason you have them is so it creates air flow behind your siding. Because if anytime you have water that gets trapped between two surfaces, you're creating rot and mold. [00:52:53] Speaker C: Right, right. [00:52:54] Speaker B: It never dries out. So that's the whole idea. You put something back there that allows it to dry out. And back in the olden days, you know, I know there's a lot of people that say this, you know, call them old timers, where they come in and say, well, I've been building this way for 50 years, 60 or whatever. A house needs to breathe. And Tony and I talk about the show a lot, endlessly. We talk about how homes, yes, do need to breathe, but you want them. [00:53:22] Speaker C: To breathe properly from the right spot. [00:53:26] Speaker B: Right. And now it doesn't even matter anymore because it's code. It's. You're required by code to have a very tight, weather sealed house. But what you're creating is an environment where moisture cannot get out. You know, back in the day when houses were built with, you know, holes everywhere. [00:53:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:53:49] Speaker B: And your furnace was just blowing air. Hot air. Or your fireplace was blowing hot air. It would dry every. It had an opportunity to dry everything out. It was very inefficient. But now that homes are super efficient, you have to mitigate that moisture a different way, which is how this building science has come to fruition. You know, and we've learned along the way, you know, a long time ago, they used to put visqueen on walls. [00:54:14] Speaker C: Yeah, they did. [00:54:15] Speaker B: Until they realized that that was an epic disaster because of how it trapped moisture inside of the walls. So we've developed this way of using this weather resistant barrier, such as Tyvek or weather smart. You know, they're these. It's basically, a roll of paper that's manufactured from different materials that allows moisture to pass through it in vapor form. So from outside of the house to go or inside of the house to go out, because moisture will always travel, always, always, always travel from warm to cold. That's why you have a dew point. That's why water will condensate on a cold window, because it hits, it's. It's wanting to go through that glass. It's trying to go from warm to cold. [00:55:04] Speaker C: And if the moisture travels from warm to cold and it finds its surface, and that surface is between your siding and your sheeting, and those are tight together, then you end up with, what is water tension? The water is there and it can't get out. [00:55:20] Speaker B: Right. [00:55:20] Speaker C: Because it's smashed between these two surfaces. And the only thing it can do is just rot that wood. [00:55:25] Speaker B: Yep. Just sits there and sits there and sits there. [00:55:26] Speaker C: Cause it can't get out. Yeah. [00:55:27] Speaker B: So anyway, enough about that. The weather resistant barrier, there's a lot of products that go along with the water weather resistant barrier, such as rain screen, which we talked about, which is an actual, it creates an air gap, literally half inch, three, eight, up to three quarter of an inch thick, of battens every 16 to 24 inches on center that you're spacing, you're siding away from your house. Um, what are some other ones, Tony? [00:55:55] Speaker C: I mean, here's the very generic term for it. House wrap. Yeah, they'll, they'll call it house wrap. If you walk in and ask for house wrap, there are so many brands that you could be buying, and brands is exactly what they are. Henry's makes a house wrap homeguard, Tyvek weather smart. There's just, there's just so many. And having an idea of how, how it's going to be installed, because you've used it before. A lot of people have a preference because they've worked with it. They know how it works, but they all essentially do the same thing. [00:56:32] Speaker B: Right. Right. So when you do that, you're usually installing it with what's called seam tape. That's a term you'll hear like Tyvek tape. It's very sticky. It's usually about an inch and a half or two inches, maybe even up to three inches wide, where you're putting this, the tape along all of the seams to tighten it up, all the air from getting in. [00:56:54] Speaker C: Right. [00:56:56] Speaker B: And also you also have wrap caps or stingers. Stingers. Stinger staples are a brand name, but they, what, basically what it does, it works with a hammer tacker. And there's a little plastic washer that presents itself in front of the staple, and as you hammer down, it staples through that little cap and creates a air and weather barrier at that point where you're stapling it in. [00:57:25] Speaker C: Also creating a larger holding surface so that, so that the paper is not. [00:57:31] Speaker B: Wanting to come off. [00:57:32] Speaker C: Yeah. Right. Wanting to come off. You remember when those were simplex nails? [00:57:37] Speaker B: No. [00:57:37] Speaker C: They used to make a product called simplex nails, and it was a nail with a big washer that was right on the top. A big square washer. Oh, it was like a, it was like a ring shank type nail, about an inch and a half or two inches long. And it had a big metal washer attached to the top. Called them simplex. Simplex nails. [00:57:54] Speaker B: That's new to me. [00:57:55] Speaker C: Yeah. Very interesting. [00:57:57] Speaker B: So some other terms you'll hear a lot is window tape. You know, and there's lots of different brands of window tape. Tyvek makes theirs fortiflash vicor. There's different types of window tapes within those brands. [00:58:13] Speaker C: Also called adhesive flashing. [00:58:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Asphalt. We all know what asphalt tape smells like. Smells like fresh asphalt, right? [00:58:22] Speaker C: Yep. [00:58:22] Speaker B: But there's also what's called butyl. Butyl rubber is a step up. It doesn't dry out, stays sticky for much longer. Lots and lots of different products there. [00:58:33] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely. And I, and this technology with adhesive tape branches into even more areas, which we can talk about after this break. We're gonna be right back. Don't go away. [00:58:57] Speaker A: You're listening to the Weeknd warriors home improvement show built by parl Umber. Now here's Tony and Corey. [00:59:10] Speaker B: Hey, welcome back to the Weekend warriors home improvement show. Thanks for staying with us today. We're talking about lumberyard lingo. Before the break, we were talking about siding and weather resistant barriers or house wrap. But if you haven't already, go check out our Instagram and Facebook pages and follow us. And like us, we're at home show. You can also go to YouTube and search our page. It's the weekend warriors home improvement show. If you just search that, it'll bring us up. 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Yeah, we don't, we don't claim to know everything, but, but we do like to share what we know. [01:00:23] Speaker B: We know a lot. [01:00:24] Speaker C: Yeah. You can email [email protected]. [01:00:27] Speaker B: That'S right. [01:00:28] Speaker C: Weekendwarriorspar.com. dot. Before we went to the break, we were talking about WRB weather resistive barrier, and we did mention house wrap as a general term for, for those different types of products. Here's another one. Drain wrap. Now, drain wrap is like house wrap. House wrap is very, like paper. It's very flat. Right. Tyvek house wrap. Some of those products have little, you know, little nubs on them that create just a little tiny space. Right. When the, when the siding comes together with the sheeting, it's just those little, you know, that one of the little blue ants all over it. [01:01:01] Speaker B: What it looks like, I don't know, hydro flash. [01:01:02] Speaker C: Hydro, hydro something. Hydro gap. [01:01:05] Speaker B: Hydro gap, yeah. [01:01:07] Speaker C: But drain wrap is actually looks like it's paper that's kind of been crinkled up. You know, wad it up like a piece of paper and then open back up. And what it does is it creates little channels for the water to run down after the siding is put on. So rain screen with battens is one way. And then, you know, hydro gap drain wrap, which is a Tyvek product, all those different products that can be used to essentially solve the same problem, which is keep water from being trapped between your siding and your sheeting. [01:01:39] Speaker B: I know we could totally get into the weeds and the science of all that, which we've done in the show many times. We won't do it today. Yeah. [01:01:45] Speaker C: But it's really interesting to me how adhesive flashing that's used to flash the openings of, for windows and doors and so many different things has morphed into so much more. So the same sort of technology is used to cover the tops of the joist on your deck, on your exterior deck. Before you deck it, you can take this product called joist tape, which I think is made by Trex, and you can cover the tops of all of your joists, which protect them from the weather out there and. And help them to last longer. [01:02:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:02:19] Speaker C: And cool product. Yeah. Also vicor deck protector. These are products that were sort of born from the adhesive flashing product line. [01:02:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:02:30] Speaker C: And adhesive flashing is used, of course, like we were talking about, butyl or asphalt type. It's used to wrap the opening that is, that is going to have a window or a door or something like that in it. So you, you always, of course, the shingling effect is important. So you always start at the bottom and work your way up that way. Any water coming from the top would run from surface to surface to surface without being able to get behind something. And so with the shingling effect, you just wrap the entire opening of a window or a door. And that helps to protect your product from. From water damage. [01:03:05] Speaker B: Yes, so much, so much, so much of that. [01:03:08] Speaker C: Here's another little item, Corey Silpan. How about a silpan? [01:03:11] Speaker B: That's, that's a funny term, too. [01:03:13] Speaker C: A sill pan is a product that actually gets installed under your door, um, or in some cases, under a window that. So when water comes down, um, it will reach that sill pan and run out and not try to infiltrate or get up in. In behind the door or the window. [01:03:31] Speaker B: Yes. It's a last line of defense. That's right. For under a door. All right, a couple more things. You know, when you're talking about weather resistant barrier, there's a few other products that you're going to use when you're siding. And, you know, some of these terms are like z flashing. You've probably heard that term before. It is essentially metal that has been bent into a z. It sounds silly, but it's, what you would do is you would put this z metal flashing on the tops of anything protruding out away from your building that's not covered in siding. So, for instance, a window, you would use z flashing on top of the window. So as water runs down the siding, it'll hit this z metal and it sheds it away from the house. It's kind of that shingle of shingling effect you were talking about. [01:04:24] Speaker C: Yeah, the flashing. [01:04:25] Speaker B: Exactly. [01:04:25] Speaker C: What flashing is tucked in behind the siding? [01:04:28] Speaker B: Yep. Some other terms would be silicone, caulking, acrylic, latex. There's all kinds of different caulking. You know, we talked about this before. 100% silicone. [01:04:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:04:41] Speaker B: We get people all the time come into the store and be like, I want a tube of 100% silicone. [01:04:46] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:04:46] Speaker B: It seems to what are you using it for? [01:04:47] Speaker C: It seems to have ties that go way, way back as being known as a product that really performs well. [01:04:53] Speaker B: It does in many areas, but in some, it doesn't. So you wouldn't want to use silicone. 100% silicone, in any application that you need to paint. Paint does not stick to silicone. [01:05:07] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:05:08] Speaker B: So as a siding product, it's not a very good idea. [01:05:12] Speaker C: It's kind of funny, because I imagine a place in the bathroom where I'll be caulking in a corner. I'm sealing in a corner. Right. But in this corner, the product, the two products that I'm sealing between, let's say, a tile on the wall and a tile on the countertop, or maybe the countertop is a different product entirely. And there's a little crack there. You know, there's a little crack. And I'm sealing up that crack. Well, if you seal that with silicone, you're gonna be able to see right through it. Well, clearly, they have this black line there. [01:05:44] Speaker B: They make color silicone. I mean, you get white and black silicone, different colors. But I get what you're saying. [01:05:50] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, 100% silicone, kind of, to me, reminds me of a clearer product. [01:05:55] Speaker B: Yeah, totally. Well, they do make newer products out that are polyurethane based or polyether based. Lots of different compounds they're putting into caulking these days. BASF is a huge manufacturer of said products, but when you go in to buy any sort of caulking, I wouldn't just go in and say, give me a tube of Vulcan. [01:06:18] Speaker C: What's volcom? [01:06:20] Speaker B: It's a tube of polyurethane caulking, which was very, very popular for one reason. [01:06:26] Speaker C: In the mid nineties, it was super sticky. [01:06:29] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely loved it. But technology has far surpassed Volcom's ability to work, and we found out some weaknesses in its armor. Right. Over the years. It dries out, it cracks, it shrinks. Yep. So in a lot of the newer products that are out work much, much better. So my advice to you as a listener, when you're going into the store to buy some sort of caulking or adhesive caulking, talk to the salesperson that's behind the counter or wherever and tell them what you're using it for and say, what is the best product out right now for this situation? And I guarantee you that somebody will have an opinion and at least give you some options, because when you go into the caulking and sealant aisle at par lumber. Holy moly. [01:07:19] Speaker C: There's a lot of choices in there. [01:07:20] Speaker B: There's at least 50. [01:07:21] Speaker C: Yep. And it ranges from one dollar ninety. [01:07:24] Speaker B: Nine cents to ten dollars a tube. Yeah. [01:07:26] Speaker C: To $10 a tube. And you definitely get what you pay for. That's for sure. [01:07:31] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. So let's move on to siding. You know, we talked about the weather resistant barrier, and over that comes siding. Siding is very. You know, it's the first thing you see. It's the most beautiful part of a home. And there's probably a lot of terms that you've heard, but maybe some you haven't. Like lap. Yeah, lap siding. Or clapboards or, you know, beveled. Beveled. Lap. That's basically the. The siding that you would see on any. On any normal house. [01:08:01] Speaker C: Beveled, lap siding is made out of wood. Right. Made out of a solid sawn or a finger jointed and primed type. Cedar or red wood, usually. And it is thicker at the butt than it is at the tip. That's the bevel. Right. Three quarter inch or half an inch at the butt. And it could be eight or ten inches wide, maybe even six, half by six or 1116 by six cedar. Usually primed, sometimes finger jointed, and sometimes not. Sometimes rough sawn, sometimes smooth. [01:08:35] Speaker B: And then you got your hardy products, which totally defies all that. Yeah. [01:08:38] Speaker C: And that product, of course, is intended to replace that at a much lower price. We gotta take a quick break. We'll be right back. Don't go away. [01:08:57] Speaker A: You're listening to the weeknd warriors home improvement show, built by parl Umber. Now here's Tony and Corey. [01:09:10] Speaker B: Hey, welcome back to the weekend warriors home improvement show. Today we're talking about lumberyard lingo. Before the break, we've moved on to siding. There's lots and lots and lots of terminology when you're talking about siding. We talked about lap siding, beveled siding, sidewall, shakes, board and batten. You know, board and batten is a very popular siding technique. Used now, back in the olden days, board and bat was literally that. They used a board ten or 12, 14, 16 inches wide of real wood, cedar, that would. They would cover the whole house with that vertically. And then at every seam, they would put a batten to cover up the seam. And that was what was referred to as board and batten. Well, fast forward to today. We don't have pieces of wood like that. We use panel, typically LP panel or hardy panel, and then simulate the battens. We put them on the panel every 16 or twelve inches on center to give that look. It's a really cool look. [01:10:17] Speaker C: Yeah, I agree with that. We actually now have plywood products and other types of panel products that simulate that we call reverse board and bat, which is like t 111. It's a plywood product that has grooves. This sort of gives the same aesthetic. It's not the same, of course, but it gives the same aesthetic. So you might hear somebody say, reverse board and bat or t 111. And those are products that are exterior siding, products that are meant to look like what we're used to from years gone by. [01:10:49] Speaker B: Yeah. T 111 is actually a term. It's kind of a broad term that people use for many different plywood, rough sawn plywood products that have grooves in them. But it technically is texture 111. It's a. It's a very specific texture, but you can go into the store and say, hey, I need a sheet of t 111, and they'll go four inch or eight inch. And that just means how far on center the grooves are. [01:11:15] Speaker C: They also ask you, is it half inch or five eight? [01:11:18] Speaker B: Yeah, they can. [01:11:18] Speaker C: Because if it's half inch, it's made by Louisiana Pacific LP. Yep. And then if it's five eight, then it's a plywood product. [01:11:26] Speaker B: Yep. So. Which takes me down to the next term, rough sawn. And I actually had. I have a funny story about this that I actually had a guy call me who thought it was song s o n g. So I need some song plywood. And I'm like, what took me forever. [01:11:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:11:44] Speaker B: Figure out what he was talking about. He was actually saying rough sawn. I was like, oh, he's explaining it to me. He's like, you know, it's like fuzzy, furry plywood. I'm like, oh, okay, okay. [01:11:54] Speaker C: Some people call it rough Tex. [01:11:55] Speaker B: Yeah, rough Tex. Rougher head. There's different, you know, terms over the years where brand names have infiltrated into their Breckenridge. [01:12:04] Speaker C: Very common. Somebody call it Breckenridge? I'm looking for Breckenridge. [01:12:07] Speaker B: It's a clear cedar. Rough sawn. Clear cedar product. [01:12:11] Speaker C: Yeah. Some people call it 18 patch. I'm looking for 18 patch. [01:12:14] Speaker B: Yep. It's got little football patches in it. You've seen it. You've all seen it. [01:12:18] Speaker C: Mm hmm. [01:12:20] Speaker B: Shutters. I think we all know what shutters are. [01:12:22] Speaker C: Shutters. [01:12:23] Speaker B: Shutter. I. Shutter. [01:12:24] Speaker C: To think, you know, it's funny because shutters aren't what shutters were. Right. Shutters used to be used, of course, to close over your windows and to protect them from elements outside. These days, it's just a plastic panel that you attach to the side of your windows. That is just a decorative look. [01:12:43] Speaker B: You go over to, like, colonial Delaware. I'm sure you'll find some real shutters. [01:12:46] Speaker C: Some real shutters. Probably really expensive. [01:12:49] Speaker B: What about this one? Hose bib block. [01:12:51] Speaker C: Yeah, hosebib. [01:12:52] Speaker B: Funny name. [01:12:53] Speaker C: Yeah. Hose bib, actually is the name of the faucet that you would find on the outside of your house. That faucet with the little handle that turns your water on and off is. [01:13:02] Speaker B: A hose bib in the little block that you put on to cover the hole up where the pipe comes through to finish it off. It just gives it a finished look. It's called a hose bib block. [01:13:12] Speaker C: It allows you to side up to the block, and it gives you a good finished detail there. [01:13:19] Speaker B: All right, Tony, let's move on to windows. Doors, because I actually have a really funny story. You know, windows and doors, there's lots of terminology, and we've talked about windows and doors on this show. Did I say winders? You might have windows and doors on the show many, many times. Uh, but there is one funny term that I learned a long time ago, but I actually had it happen to me. I'll tell you this quick story. It's weep holes. Weep holes. Funny term. Uh, but essentially what it is, when you have a vinyl window and you have the piece of glass, double pane glass, that's glazed into that window using. [01:13:55] Speaker C: Tape on one side. [01:13:57] Speaker B: On one side, well, then there's a snap bead and all this thing that goes in the finish off the other side. Well, when water hits that glass and drips down, it's not just waterproof, you know, it goes inside of the window frame. There's nowhere to go other than it sheds down and goes into that window frame. And on the exterior of the bottom side of your window, there's what's called weep holes. And sometimes you might get mason bees clogging those up where they'll come in there. That happened at my house. Mason bees came in and nested inside of our weep holes and all our windows. So after they hatched, I had to go clean all that out. [01:14:36] Speaker C: Yeah, mess. [01:14:37] Speaker B: Anyway. But recently we were at the family beach house, and we had a serious problem with water coming into the house through the windows. And we thought that the glass itself or something, or the windows themselves were leaking, so we had to tear it apart. We were tearing apart the wood, trying to figure out where this water was coming in. [01:15:02] Speaker C: You had water standing on the floor? On the floor, on the finished floor. [01:15:06] Speaker B: On the finished floor and in the window sills. So it didn't really make sense that it was on the window sills. Right. So popped into my head, I ran outside, looked at the weep holes, and mind you, this side of the house faces the ocean. [01:15:22] Speaker C: And these windows have just recently been installed. [01:15:25] Speaker B: Yeah, within the last five years. [01:15:27] Speaker C: Okay. [01:15:27] Speaker B: They're fairly new. And we go out and we had just gotten the house painted. Right. So the house was just painted in the ciders or the painters caulked over the weep holes. They caulked. They did all the caulking and they caulked over the weep holes and plugged them all up unbeknownst to us. [01:15:47] Speaker C: Right. [01:15:48] Speaker B: And plugged them all up completely. And sure enough, I got my little razor knife out and I cut all the caulking out from the first window there on the window bank. And water literally started glugging out. [01:16:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:16:02] Speaker B: Glug, glug, glug. There had to have been a quart of water in there. Just absolutely incredible. [01:16:07] Speaker C: And it wouldn't. Absolutely would not hold any more water. And so it started to come out in the only place that it could, which was through the. [01:16:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:16:17] Speaker C: Where the window snap bead on the inside. [01:16:19] Speaker B: Where the window meets the vinyl, the frame. And there's just. It's not much there except for some little adhesive tape. [01:16:26] Speaker C: Yep. [01:16:26] Speaker B: A window's designed to let water in and then let it out. [01:16:31] Speaker C: Yeah. It's all about water management. [01:16:33] Speaker B: And at the coast, man, I tell you, that wind and rain, that wind driven rain is brutal. [01:16:38] Speaker C: Wow. That is a crazy. It must have been disheartening to walk into this, you know, newly remodeled home and find water on the finished floor. [01:16:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:16:48] Speaker C: It was just been crazy. [01:16:49] Speaker B: It was a mess. But anyway, that term weep hole. [01:16:51] Speaker C: Weep hole, yes. Not intended to be plugged. [01:16:55] Speaker B: All right, let's go through this here entry door. Full light. So when you talk about a light, half light, full light, three quarter light, that's the window inside of the door we've talked about on that show. Lots and lots. [01:17:07] Speaker C: Yeah. And if that window doesn't have any grids in it, then it's a. Then it's a single light. But if it's got grids, it could be a nine light or it could be a, I don't know, a twelve light. [01:17:16] Speaker B: Yeah, lots of light. [01:17:16] Speaker C: Could be a 226 light if they're really tiny grid bars. [01:17:20] Speaker B: And I'll tell you one thing, the glass in that door is going to be tempered. [01:17:25] Speaker C: Yes. [01:17:25] Speaker B: Another term you'll probably hear, let's talk about windows real quick, Tony. Oh, one more, actually, with doors. Transom. Oh, it's a funny name, Transom. [01:17:35] Speaker C: Transom. That is actually a window that goes over the door. Over the top of the door. It's like a sidelight, but it's a top light. A top light over the door. [01:17:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:17:44] Speaker C: And a sidelight next to the door. [01:17:46] Speaker B: It's very cool. Let's talk about window terms. As far as the different types of windows. [01:17:53] Speaker C: There's a lot of different types of windows that all operate in a different way. [01:17:57] Speaker B: Like. [01:17:58] Speaker C: Like, for example, you can have a window that opens out. We call that a crank window. It can open out on the bottom of the window, which would be an awning window. It can open on the. From the side, which would be a left or a right. That would be a casement window. Those types of crank out windows are the best performers because when the wind is driving outside, it's actually pushing the window closed into the seal, making it seal better. And then, of course, there's sliding windows. Windows that slide up and down. Windows that slide left and right. [01:18:28] Speaker B: Those single hung, double hung. [01:18:30] Speaker C: Yep. Single hung and double hung. Also a window that doesn't open at all. A picture window or a non operable window. [01:18:36] Speaker B: Man, so, so many different window types. It just helps to have the terms when you go in to the store to order one, that you know what it is. [01:18:47] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:18:47] Speaker B: And the best thing to do is honestly just to talk to somebody. [01:18:50] Speaker C: Yeah. It helps to know. It helps to sound like you know what you're talking about. [01:18:56] Speaker B: That's how we go through life. [01:18:57] Speaker C: That's how we. That's exactly how we go through life. And so every little piece of information helps you take another step confidently and move through your project. I think it's invaluable, all of this information that we're sharing. [01:19:11] Speaker B: Hopefully, you found a little bit of information that you did not know, and you can share that with people that you know. [01:19:17] Speaker C: And if you've never ordered one, a dutch door is a lot of fun. [01:19:21] Speaker B: I'm in. [01:19:22] Speaker C: All right, folks, it's all the time we got. Thank you so much for tuning in. This has been another episode of your. [01:19:26] Speaker B: Weekend warriors right here on the weekend warriors radio network. [01:19:29] Speaker C: Have a great weekend.