Lumberyard Lingo Vol 2

[00:00:04] Speaker A: Welcome to the Weekend warriors home improvement show, built by bar lumber. When it comes to big or small projects around the home, Tony and Cory have got the know how and the answers to make your life just a bit easier. Here they are, your weekend warriors, Tony and Cory. [00:00:24] Speaker B: Hey, welcome to the Weeknd warriors home improvement show, built by par lumber. I'm Cory Valdez. [00:00:30] Speaker C: And I'm Tony Cookston. [00:00:31] Speaker B: Thanks for tuning in in with us today. We've got another great show lined up for you today. Tony and I are going to continue a conversation that we had on this show a few weeks back. We called it Lumber Yard lingo. There's a lot of words and a lot of definitions of things that go on inside the lumberyard that you probably don't hear all the time that Tony and I use on a daily basis. [00:00:54] Speaker C: It helps when you go in there to buy something for your project if you can speak the language that they're speaking. Makes you feel more confident, makes. Makes you seem more like you're involved in what's going on in your hip, so to speak, and so you just feel less out of place and more like you belong. So we thought we would cover some of those things to make your next trip to the lumberyard a little easier. [00:01:18] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, so the first show, the first episode of this, we called it lumber yard lingo. So we'll call this lumber yard lingo part duh, part two. And there was a lot of terms we talked about dimensional lumber. We talked about things specifically in the lumber yard, you know, from a moffat to I joist layouts, forklifts, stickers, those sorts of things. Lumber. We didn't actually get through our entire list that we created for lumber. You know, we were talking a lot about the different types. You know, the different. When you're ordering lumber, the, like Doug fir hem fur, you know, s four s. That means it's surfaced on four sides. Uh, there's a couple ones. A couple here that, uh, we missed. Rough sawn versus re sawn versus full song. Tony, do you know the difference between all three of those? [00:02:08] Speaker C: Well, I do, of course. I've spent a lot of years in the lumber industry talking about this kind of stuff, so I've got a pretty good understanding about it. But I know that it can be, um. It can be kind of confusing because they all seem very similar. [00:02:21] Speaker B: Well, and they are. They are very similar. Um, you know, when you come into a lumber yard and you have a piece of, say, old wood, like, uh, an old 1930s home, uh, and it was a two x four or a two x six. Well, that lumber was what's called full sawn. It was sawn two inches by four inches, and that's what you got. And that's what they built with. It wasn't until later years where they started running it through planers, smoothing it out, adding those eased edges to prevent slivers and those sorts of things. But that would, what's. What would be called full song. So now what they do is they, if you want to order that, you order it full sawn. If you want it to be standard dimension size, like, say you're ordering a four by ten and you want it to match other four by tens, you order it, but you want it to be rough. You would call that rhys on or rough sawn. You can get it. There's lots of different ways. They can make it look like it's been band sawed. They can make it look actually just like, really rough. There's a few different options there. Or you can get it square edged, but that would just be normal s. Four square lumber. [00:03:32] Speaker C: Yeah. A lot of times it depends on what your. What your application is, what you're going to use it for. If you're working outside, for example, if you're building a. An exposed pergola, or like you did in your bed, like a back patio cover, and you want it to have that wood look, then there's a very good possibility that you're going to be framing it up with. It's sort of a finished grade lumber. Right. But in big timbers, a lot of times you will want it to have that. That rough look. But you're working with, like you said, some timbers that are. Have already been planed down to be that nominal, not nominal size. Net size. [00:04:15] Speaker B: Yeah, net size. [00:04:16] Speaker C: Net size. But you want it to look like it's full sand. So they'll run it through a band saw, bandsaw back, put a rough face on it, and that would be something that you'd use in a. In a finish application. But outside, really? [00:04:30] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. It's a. It's an aesthetic. It's a very aesthetic thing. I don't like. And you said outside. You make a good point. Cause I don't recommend using rough sawn or resawn lumber indoors. And the reason is it's extremely difficult to clean. If you have a resawn beam, like re sawn timber frames inside of a house, you know, when it gets dusty. You can't dust it? [00:04:54] Speaker C: No. If you try to dust it, little particles will fall off of it all the time. [00:04:57] Speaker B: All that dusting stuff will constantly be. [00:05:00] Speaker C: Sweeping or vacuuming underneath it. It's really not an interior type of a product. [00:05:03] Speaker B: No, it's difficult to clean, so that's all I'll say about that. [00:05:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:05:07] Speaker B: But there's a lot of other things here. You know, we didn't cover VG. [00:05:11] Speaker C: Clear vertical grain. [00:05:12] Speaker B: Yes. Clear vertical grain. [00:05:14] Speaker C: CVG. Yeah. Yeah. Vertical grain is. Is very common and honestly, pretty expensive if they are grading for a vertical grain. And it's almost always clear. I mean, I suppose there could be a vertical grain out there that's not clear, but it's almost always clear. If you're paying for a vertical grain, you're getting a clear product. That would be something that would be super smooth, used on the inside, and generally would be stained or clear coated to be finished on the inside. [00:05:44] Speaker B: And when you say clear, that typically means no knots. [00:05:48] Speaker C: Right? Exactly. So a clear, tight knot, not something you're going to find. [00:05:53] Speaker B: Yeah. If you walk into a lumber, you're saying, I need a piece of clear, tight knot. They're going to look at you weird. [00:05:57] Speaker C: Yeah. They're going to look at you funny. So, clear, no knots. And tight knot, of course, is the difference between a loose knot and a tight knot. A loose knot can fall out and a tight knot will not. [00:06:09] Speaker B: That's pretty good. Pretty obvious. [00:06:12] Speaker C: It seems like it should be. [00:06:14] Speaker B: But let's talk about check and Wayne. Check and Wayne. [00:06:19] Speaker C: Check and Wayne. [00:06:20] Speaker B: There's. That's a standard lumber term. Check and there's Wayne, not the guy. But what wain is, is when you're sawing lumber, sometimes you get to the outside of that SAP wood and you start to see the curvature, the bark. Sometimes that will make it onto an edge of a piece of lumber, and that's called wain. You won't have a perfectly square edge. It's totally normal. It doesn't affect the strength of the wood. It just doesn't look as nice. So if you want something finished grade, you'll want to buy something number one, or, you know, select for appearance grade rather than, you know, standard framing lumber, which would be your typical number two and better is what we call it, or stud grade. Sometimes people sell, but that will have a lot of that. It'll have a ton of weighing, and sometimes lumber will also have a lot of check. And what check is, is on the ends of the piece of wood? It'll have splits. It'll just start to. It's called checking. And that's completely normal. And that also does not affect the strength of that piece of lumber, but rather the appearance of it. [00:07:30] Speaker C: Yeah. Again, the difference between lumber that you would use to frame, that's going to ultimately be covered up by some sort of finish and. And something that is going to be exposed and not going to be covered up. So if you're trying to select out of standard lumber or two and better lumber, something that doesn't have wane and doesn't have end checking, you're not likely to find it. As a matter of fact, most lumber yards will not condone picking finished lumber out of. Of a two and better or standard and better pile. [00:08:03] Speaker B: It's just difficult to do. I mean, the trees that we're pulling dimensional lumber out of nowhere are so much smaller than they were. You know, a long time ago, you could walk in and buy tons of lumber that was full, square edge, looked really good. And now it's just. It's riddled with lots of weighing, lots. [00:08:21] Speaker C: Of knots, increasingly more as we go forward. [00:08:23] Speaker B: It's just the way it is. [00:08:24] Speaker C: Trees get smaller. They're growing for shorter periods of time. And for sustainability purposes, we're milling it sooner. And so you end up with more weighing, more percentage of weighing than you had in the past. [00:08:36] Speaker B: Not Bruce Wayne, right? [00:08:37] Speaker C: Not Bruce. Okay, we gotta take a quick break. When we come back, more lumber yard lingo so that you can feel more comfortable in the lumber yard when you go. You're listening to Tony and Corey. Your weekend warriors will be right back. [00:09:09] Speaker A: You're listening to the Weeknd warriors home improvement show, built by Parl Umber. Now here's Tony and Corey. [00:09:19] Speaker B: Hey, welcome back to the weekend warriors home improvement show. Thanks for staying with us today in the show. We're talking about lumberyard lingo version two. And we've been talking a little bit about lumber, you know, dimensional, dimensional lumber. But we should move into panels. There's a lot to do with panels. [00:09:37] Speaker C: A lot. I mean, I feel like it is an endless conversation. Honestly, we could talk about panels forever. We need to try to keep it as interesting as possible and try to hit the high parts. [00:09:47] Speaker B: Well, that'll be tough. [00:09:48] Speaker C: The super, the super important stuff. [00:09:50] Speaker B: Yeah, this is pretty boring stuff, really, but, yeah, we'll try to make as fun as possible. [00:09:55] Speaker C: So panels are sheets, right? [00:09:58] Speaker B: Yeah. Sheet goods. [00:09:59] Speaker C: A very common size of sheet good is four foot by eight foot. If you go in to buy a sheet of plywood, you're going to get offered something that's four foot by eight foot. That's very common. It's not only available in four by eight, you can get it in four by nine, four by ten, four by twelve, five by eight sometimes. Um, and you get into a five foot wide. And it's. It's a pretty narrow list of materials that are available, but they are not generally stocked, I would say, in a five foot wide. But if you're buying in quantity, if you're buying units or truck loads or something for your enormous five foot panel project, it is something that can be sourced but not very common. Four by eight. Most common, yeah. [00:10:46] Speaker B: Most panels, like you said, are going to be that 448 inches by 96 inch panel. You know, when it comes to panels, there's a lot of different types. You know, you've got your interior. You've got your exterior. We classify those, you know, depending on what your project is. You know, a lot of times if you're building something, you know, the exterior sheathing versus something like an interior panel, like, you know, gypsum, sheetrock, drywall, all kind of the same thing. Um, so we should talk a little bit about the outside panels. You've got your OSB, your CDX, your plywood. Um, plywood kind of gets lumped together. Right. Everybody just calls exterior sheathing plywood. [00:11:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:28] Speaker B: Uh, but in reality, you know, OSB is probably your most common these days. Building material. Yeah. Um, if you want actual plywood, there are so many different grades. Should we talk about the grades a little bit? [00:11:43] Speaker C: Yeah, well, let's talk about the difference between plywood and other sheet goods just for a second. [00:11:47] Speaker B: Yeah, there you go. [00:11:48] Speaker C: Um, plywood, for example, is a multiple plies of wood that are in four foot by eight foot dimensions, usually. And they're super thin. Right. They kind of peel them off of the tree. [00:12:01] Speaker B: Yeah, they call those veneers. [00:12:03] Speaker C: Yeah, they're wafer thin plies. And they pick. Take those plies and they stack them together with nothing but glue between them. And then as, as you stack them, they get thicker and thicker and thicker. And of course, you end up with this sheet that's very solid and strong. Lots of strands of wood going in different directions. And those wafers or those plies create plywood. And then, of course, there's a lot of different other types of sheets of sheet goods that are made differently. We talked about oriented strand board, I think, a little bit in the last show, but oriented strand board are more like, um, smaller chips of wood, thin chips of wood that are laid together with more glue. And that sort of makes a composited together, um, bunch of larger chips. Chips of wood with glue. That makes also a sheet or in the shape of a sheet. [00:12:56] Speaker B: Yeah. They actually orient those strands together in a certain pattern, and they cross laminate those, those pieces together to create extra strength. That's why OSB actually has a higher shear value than plywood. [00:13:13] Speaker C: But it does have a tendency to fail when it is introduced to moisture over a long period of time. [00:13:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:19] Speaker C: And where plywood is stronger, it also can delaminate when exposed to moisture over a long period of time. But it seems to stand up better to moisture. [00:13:28] Speaker B: Yeah, that's debatable. [00:13:29] Speaker C: And then there's, then there you go a little bit finer. Right. So they take those, those wafers of wood and make them a little bit smaller, and you come up with particle board. They take particles of wood and glue those together, come up with particle board, which is also an interior product, more susceptible to water. And then even finer than that, you can end up with fiberboard, like medium density fiberboard or tempered hardboard. These are also just like wood flour at this point, mixed with glue in the shape of a sheet, but also susceptible to water. [00:14:01] Speaker B: Yeah. The nice part about MDF and MD, you know, medium density fiberboard is that it. It's really smooth. You know, you see a lot of it in a finish grade application where it paints super, super smooth. So it's tough to get that with a plywood just because real woods gonna have that texture and that veneer look to it. So if you really want something super, super smooth, MDF is where it's at. [00:14:26] Speaker C: Yeah. That's also very heavy. So that, that kind of knocks it out of contention in some situations. [00:14:33] Speaker B: Yeah, totally. [00:14:34] Speaker C: So if you're talking about plywood, then the. The amount of plies that are used in a, any given plywood product has something to do with its strength and its quality. But we can talk a little bit about how plywood is graded. So let's start with maybe the bottom grade or maybe the most common grade, which I would say is CDX. [00:14:58] Speaker B: Yeah, CDX. The term there, CDX, that refers to the faces of the plywood. So you'll have one face that's a c grade, the other face that's a d grade, which is typically your lowest grade. And X means that it's manufactured with exterior grade glue. That doesn't mean that it's waterproof or that you can use it in a marine application. That just means that it's using exterior grade glue and not interior grade glue. The next probably most common would be a cc. [00:15:34] Speaker C: Yep. [00:15:34] Speaker B: C to c faces. [00:15:36] Speaker C: Right. Cc generally will come to you as a cc pts, which is plugged and touch sanded. So c face. C face plugged and touch sanded. And what they're talking about there is in a c face, on a piece of plywood, you can have voids in the outermost veneer. So remember, you have. You have multiple plies of wood together to make this one sheet. And the outermost ply on either side is the ply that is graded. And a c grade will allow for voids in that veneer. So in a Cc pts, they would either cut the void out, replace it with a little football shaped piece of veneer, and then. And then sand that, or if it's a small void, they'll just fill it with some putty and sand over it so that you get an actual solid face. But if you were to stain it, you would see all those. All those defects or those voids. [00:16:34] Speaker B: A cc pts is typically a paint grade plywood, right. [00:16:40] Speaker C: And even if you paint it, you still can see those. Like, you wouldn't want to use that for cabinets or something inside the house. Maybe if you were painting something that was going to be inside the garage, that would be something you could use that for. [00:16:53] Speaker B: Yeah, or an overhang or that. Typically, that's where you would see CCPts used the most, is on an overhang of your roof. [00:17:00] Speaker C: Right. When they're sheeting your roof, you're framing the house or replacing the roof on your house. They'll sheet the, you know, 90% of the roof with CDX or in some cases, OSB. But right at the eve where the gutters attach there, that eve is oftentimes exposed. You can see that from. From the ground level underneath. And. And they would use a cc pts there so that it could be painted with no voids. [00:17:24] Speaker B: Yeah. Other popular grades, you know, I've seen BC or ab. Sometimes you even get into ab. Marine, marine grade. A lot of people get this confused. They think a marine grade can be used under water or, you know, as waterproof plywood. That is not the case. Marine grade plywood just means that it has no voids anywhere in that panel, because when you have a void, there's a potential for moisture to collect there and build up, and that will quickly allow for that panel to delaminate. So a marine grade just means that is no voids. Similar to that would be a UDL grade or underlayment grade. Underlayment grade plywood also has no voids. It's typically meant as a plywood that goes under a walking surface. So you would want to use like if you were putting down, say linoleum. Linoleum, a solid surface, you know, sheet good. Like linoleum, you would put that down. You'd want to use a UDL grade. Yeah. I'll explain why. We got to take a quick break, but I'll explain why. [00:18:33] Speaker C: Yeah, it's very important, especially, especially interior of the home where you're going to be walking that you don't have voids in the veneers. And we'll totally dig into that as soon as we get back. 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So today we're talking about Lumberyard lingo. And before the break, we were talking about plywoods and the differences between all those different plywoods. Plywood kind of gets lumped everything together. And we were talking a little bit about underlayment grade and what underlayment grade means. And that means that there's no voids in the, in the plywood. The reason you wouldn't want voids in an underlayment plywood. For instance, if you are putting linoleum over the top, if you had someone say, walk through your home with high heels and they're walking along and next thing you know they hit one of those voids. It's about the size of a knot in any normal piece of plywood, like CDX, there's voids all through that plywood. It would potentially, you could break through the top surface of that plywood into a void down below. [00:21:05] Speaker C: Through the linoleum. Through the linoleum, through the top veneer and into that void. [00:21:09] Speaker B: So worse, you know, best case scenario, you probably just dent your linoleum. Worst case scenario, you could have some serious problems. So we could break their ankle, or. [00:21:20] Speaker C: You'D have to pull all that linoleum, all of. And that decking up, put down new. And that's expensive. Yeah. So that is why a lot of times, the underlayment that's used is particle board. Particle board, again, is fine particles of wood, fiber and glue, and it's solid all the way through, no voids at all. And that is perfect for underlayment under a floor like linoleum. The challenge with particle board is, as we've mentioned so many times during this show, water will make it swell up and fall apart. And so particle board underlayment, we have a tendency to spill. We have a tendency to have things leak in the house. A leaky faucet or a leaky drain, or a leaky tub or a leaky toilet, you name it. If you've got water introduced to the floor and it's not cleaned up right away and it stands there or continues to leak, that will cause that underlayment to swell up and you'll be replacing that floor. [00:22:19] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm a fan of plywood underlayment. Tony and I have, have had this discussion before, talking about the difference between plywood and particle board underlayment. Tony actually made a case of using particle board as underlayment, that if there was a problem, you'd know about it sooner. And it's an interesting argument, like in the bathroom, if your toilet was leaking, you'd know it pretty darn quick if you had particle board, because it would swell up and you would see that swelling around wherever the leak was. Where plywood doesn't do that as quickly. [00:22:56] Speaker C: Yeah. As a matter of fact, if you know soon enough and you have to replace the linoleum and the, and the underlayment, well, that happens before your joist and your decking start to rot. If the, if the water leak is been around for a long time or going to be around for a long time, you don't want to wait until the structure of your floor is failing to go in there and replace it. Rot or dry rot, those are things that come with a long period of time of moisture being present, and you wouldn't know it with plywood necessarily, because plywood just won't swell up like that and cause that problem. That is a matter of preference or opinion. Right. So I can see the case for particle board. Yeah. [00:23:43] Speaker B: Well, you know, with some of the newer particle boards, you know, it used to be a big deal with the urea formaldehyde they would use in the resins and glues that they would use to make particle board, that urea formaldehyde would off gas. And sometimes, if you did an entire house in particle board that off gassing could collect in your home, and it would make people sick. So there was a really big push a few years back to get away from that. A lot of people switched to plywood, but they did start making particle board that you can get that doesn't have that in it. So something to keep in mind. [00:24:19] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely. [00:24:20] Speaker B: If that's an issue for you. Some other terms, some other panel terms. Here's one that we hear all the time. Tony. T 111. [00:24:30] Speaker C: Yeah, we are on the outside as we're talking about panels, we kind of creeped back inside for a minute, but talking about exterior type sheathing. Right. T 111 is a siding, actually, it's plywood. It's put together like plywood with exterior glue, like plywood, but it has that re sawn face, which makes it look more like authentic wood and not like a plain version or something else. And generally, it has, there's really three patterns. In t 111, you will most commonly see something, what we call an eight inch on center pattern, where there's a groove every eight inches for the width of the boards. Those. Those grooves run vertically from the top to the bottom, a four inch on center groove. And then, of course, a plain reason select which people still call t 111, even though it's not. [00:25:22] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. T 111 or plain t 111. I mean, t 111 is the texture, I think stands for texture 111 or pattern four inch, eight inch. But yeah, plain rough sawn. That's pretty common. I've heard plane t 111, you missed one. [00:25:38] Speaker C: Okay. [00:25:39] Speaker B: Kerf cut. [00:25:40] Speaker C: Tell me about that. Cause I don't know what that is. [00:25:42] Speaker B: Kerf cut is essentially, it's. It's just like t 111. Except t 111 grooves are probably, what, three eighths of an inch by quarter inch deep cut down just in the top couple veneers of the plywood, depending. [00:25:56] Speaker C: On whether or not it's reverse board and bat, which is without the different one. Yeah. Which is another one. [00:26:00] Speaker B: So, saw kerf plywood is essentially a four inch on center saw kerf that is just the width of a saw blade, and the depth is only about an 8th of an inch. So you just see these little saw curves every four inches on center. And honestly, it mimics one by four tongue and groove cedar pretty closely. [00:26:25] Speaker C: Interesting. Honestly, I've never seen that product. [00:26:27] Speaker B: IWP sells it. [00:26:28] Speaker C: Really? [00:26:29] Speaker B: Yeah. So a curved plywood looks really cool. I really like that product. And again, you mentioned reverse board and bat. Yeah, that's a completely different product. [00:26:39] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, it's like t 111. And the way that it's made and the way that it's manufactured, it would be, if it were a t 111, it would be a twelve inch on center t 111. But it's actually. The groove is quite a bit wider. I think that's about an inch or an inch and a quarter, maybe. Yeah, it's a wide groove and. And twelve inches between. But that really is intended for a different reason. A long time ago, very common sighting was a board and batten siding, where you would have a. You'd have a reason face on the ply, and then you would have a one by two or a one by three batten every twelve or 24 inches on the outside. And that was a very common type of sighting. Then they started to create the reverse board and bat, which was a sheet a lot less expensive to do. And then instead of a batten, it had a groove to sort of mimic the batten. [00:27:27] Speaker B: Yeah, well, way back, back in the day, they would do board and batten with actual boards, you know, and batten. So it would alternate, you know, thick piece of wood, narrow piece of wood, thick piece of wood. [00:27:40] Speaker C: Well, way back, back in the day, they would just drop a bunch of trees and they'd land on each other. And then they would build a fire inside. And they call that a teepee. [00:27:51] Speaker B: A log cabin. [00:27:52] Speaker C: A log cabin, yeah, that's right. [00:27:54] Speaker B: You can actually buy log cabin siding. That's just like a. Yeah, absolutely. [00:27:59] Speaker C: Love. It's gorgeous, actually. [00:28:00] Speaker B: It is cool. [00:28:00] Speaker C: I really like it. But let's just do one more way back. Back in the day, they just cut a hole in rock called that cave. [00:28:09] Speaker B: Are you sure they wouldn't just find the whole thing? [00:28:10] Speaker C: Oh, maybe they find it. I mean, I don't know. I'm not trying to take anything away from them. [00:28:14] Speaker B: You think like Fred Flint. Yeah. [00:28:16] Speaker C: There you go. Fred Flintstone cut a little hole in the wall. [00:28:20] Speaker B: Anyway, so, yeah, we talked about plywood here. There's a couple more terms within panels. And again we said it, plywood. Plywood is like the Kleenex. But there's a couple more terms that we hear all the time when talking about panels. Square edge, TNG and shiplap. [00:28:39] Speaker C: Wow. [00:28:39] Speaker B: We should cover those after the break. [00:28:40] Speaker C: Oh, absolutely. We're going to take a quick break, and we'll pick up there as soon as we get back. You're listening to Tony and Corey, your weekend warriors. Don't go away. [00:29:07] Speaker A: You're listening to the weeknd warriors home improvement show, built by Parl Umber. Now here's Tony and Corey. [00:29:19] Speaker B: Hey, welcome back to the Weekend warriors home improvement show. Thanks for staying with us today. Tony and I are talking lumber yard lingo and all the terms that you'd hear that when you walk into the lumber yard. Sometimes they might sound mystifying, but they're not. [00:29:33] Speaker C: It's a whole different language in there. Sometimes it is. [00:29:36] Speaker B: Sometimes. You know, when I first started in the lumber industry, I think it told this story on the last lumberyard lingo show I had. I started at the front counter working customer service, you know, behind a computer there. I didn't know much of anything. I mean, I knew a lot, but a guy came in and said, I'm looking for some leatherback. [00:29:52] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:29:53] Speaker B: Like. Like a turtle. You're the wrong place, buddy. [00:29:56] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:29:56] Speaker B: But I was mistaken. I mean, there's. The term. Leatherback is pretty common in the building materials industry. [00:30:04] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:30:04] Speaker B: It just means snorkel paper. Yeah. Like snorkel paper. That's another weird term. Snorkel paper. Snorkel paper or felt with impregnated with tar in it. [00:30:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:30:15] Speaker B: So kind of weird. [00:30:17] Speaker C: Yeah, there are weird terms, and, you know, there are also sort of regional terms. You know, you get a bunch of guys that work together for a long time. Oh, sure. Building subdivision after subdivision after subdivision. And they have weird names. I had a guy come into the Hillsboro yard when I was working there, and he said, I need 15 sheets of Shimangi. [00:30:32] Speaker B: Shimangi? [00:30:33] Speaker C: Yeah, shamangi. And I'm thinking, I have no idea what that is. What is she? [00:30:37] Speaker B: Manga. Exotic. [00:30:38] Speaker C: You know, it was from. [00:30:40] Speaker B: Yeah, from China. [00:30:41] Speaker C: He won a waferboard, man. I mean, it was. It was the simplest thing. He's like, you guys sell that all the time, but they called it shaman. [00:30:47] Speaker B: It's funny. [00:30:48] Speaker C: Yeah. It's just weird. You just get used to that stuff. There's lots of weird. [00:30:51] Speaker B: Start waiting. [00:30:53] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:30:53] Speaker B: I had a guy order from me, like, 20 sheets of particle board. So I sent it out, and he says, why'd you send me OSB? And I'm like, what? And so I thought that our yard screwed up. [00:31:08] Speaker C: Oh, sure. [00:31:09] Speaker B: Pulled the wrong thing. So I said, well, send a picture of it to me. So sure enough, we sent him particle board. [00:31:14] Speaker C: He just thought he had them backwards. [00:31:16] Speaker B: Particle board was OSB, and that OSB was particle board. So hence what this show is about today. [00:31:22] Speaker C: Absolutely. [00:31:23] Speaker B: So before the break, we sang the term TNG, square edge and shiplap. Yeah, square edge is pretty. I mean, that's pretty easy. It's going to have square edges. TNG, that just stands for tongue in groove. And you would see TNG plywood used typically in a floor system. Right. That tongue in that grooves adds strength and stability to the panels as you put them together that spans across joists. [00:31:51] Speaker C: Okay, so I'm gonna throw you another little one here. How about nickel gap? [00:31:55] Speaker B: Yeah, nickel gap. [00:31:56] Speaker C: Nickel gap is something that's a tongue and groove product, generally used as a finished product. Maybe it's interior wall covering or exterior siding or something like that. But when the tongue and the groove come together, it leaves a distinct gap about, I guess, the thickness of a nickel or. Yeah, I think that's. [00:32:14] Speaker B: That's what the term is. [00:32:14] Speaker C: That, at least, is what people are thinking. [00:32:16] Speaker B: And so dime gap would be thinner. [00:32:18] Speaker C: Right. But what, what you don't get is you don't get variable gaps. Right. A lot of times with TNG, depending on how it's, you know, how it's been milled or if it's swollen a little bit, you know, it doesn't always come together tight. Sometimes it leaves a gap and sometimes it doesn't. Well, this product is intended to leave the same gap all the time, and it gives you a really good reveal. I like it. [00:32:39] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. It's very modern. Yeah, it's very nice. Look. Well, going along with nickel gap, we didn't mention v groove. [00:32:49] Speaker C: Oh, v groove. Yes. That's a very good one. This is also a tongue and groove product. And a lot of times you'll find that you have the v groove pattern on one side, what they call a v four, and then a non v groove, or non bevel, on the opposite side. So you have a square edge where the tongue and groove comes together, flush on one side, and then on the other side every. Well, you know, that, that dimension varies. But where the tongue and the groove come together, it's beveled there, which creates a v groove. Yeah. [00:33:23] Speaker B: And there's different widths. You can get four inch on center, six inch on center v groove, depending on the, the piece. Typically, v groove and nickel gap is used in solid. Would like a one by six. Nickel gap would be a one by six that when you put them together on a wall or in a soffit, they would leave that nickel gap. Or if you put them with the v groove, you would see that v groove. It's solid wood, typically. [00:33:50] Speaker C: Yeah. Another one that. That plays right along with that is a beaded paneling. A lot of times, where that v groove is, there's a bead inside there. A raised portion, sort of a half round in there. [00:34:00] Speaker B: A little roundy. Yeah, a little roundy. [00:34:01] Speaker C: Round. Four inch round. Yeah. And then that's at the groove where it comes together. And then there's usually a bead that runs down the middle of the board. So you have them more like inch and a half apart or so. [00:34:11] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And they make beaded panel. Beaded ceiling panel. [00:34:17] Speaker C: In four by eight sheets. Yeah. [00:34:18] Speaker B: We both know that my kitchen that we remodeled the entire thing was beaded panel. [00:34:23] Speaker C: Yep, that's right. [00:34:24] Speaker B: Which was a total pain to get down. [00:34:26] Speaker C: They actually make a beaded paneling in MDF also. [00:34:30] Speaker B: That's right. [00:34:31] Speaker C: They make it in, like, a plywood, and they also make it in a medium density fiberboard. [00:34:35] Speaker B: Paints really nice. [00:34:36] Speaker C: Yeah. Paints up super sweet. Just don't let it get wet. [00:34:39] Speaker B: The other one, shiplap. Well, there's two. [00:34:42] Speaker C: Everybody in the world channel, everybody in the world knows what shiplap is. [00:34:46] Speaker B: Yes. [00:34:46] Speaker C: Right. [00:34:46] Speaker B: Well, thank you. [00:34:48] Speaker C: Shiplap. [00:34:48] Speaker B: Joanna Gaines. [00:34:51] Speaker C: Yeah, well, shiplap is great. Right. Shiplap goes all the way back, goes together, kind of like a tongue and groove. Um, except instead you have opposite grooves on the ends, uh, ones up over and ones down under. And they. They push together and do also generally leave a gap. [00:35:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:10] Speaker C: Some sort of a uniform gap. [00:35:12] Speaker B: Sometimes uniform, sometimes not. [00:35:14] Speaker C: Right. [00:35:14] Speaker B: Uh, the older stuff probably doesn't have as uniform of a gap. Older homes were built, you know, you were typically, the walls were sheathed and the roof was sheathed with shiplap. [00:35:25] Speaker C: Yep, that's right. Like a number two. A less expensive grade of lumber, but went together the same way. [00:35:31] Speaker B: But in the fifties and forties, number two was our number one today. [00:35:35] Speaker C: Yeah. And so that's, you know, kind of how that whole thing with Joanna Gaines came about in Texas, where they're. Where they're flipping houses. A lot of the sheeting where we're using plywood is shiplap. And what they would do is they would pull that. That outer covering off and find that shiplap underneath there and say, we're leaving that, sand it down and paint it and get a real rustic look. And that was how that. How that modern day popularity came around. [00:36:02] Speaker B: Totally. [00:36:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:36:03] Speaker B: So, you know, we've covered a lot with the lumberyard lingo. You know, but there's still a lot of construction lingo, so to speak. You know, I think we should jump in and start talking about terms that we hear every day in the general construction world. [00:36:20] Speaker C: Okay. Yeah, I think that's a great idea. [00:36:22] Speaker B: Let's. Let's start right in with the house. [00:36:24] Speaker C: All right. Hit it. [00:36:25] Speaker B: Foundation. [00:36:26] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Well, I think most people know what the foundation is. Foundation is the. [00:36:30] Speaker B: It's an easy one. [00:36:30] Speaker C: It's the concrete structure that's underneath the wood structure that makes up your home. [00:36:34] Speaker B: Yep. [00:36:35] Speaker C: And it literally is the foundation of your home. And. And it's. It's very important that it is maintained. We talk about it all the time. If you see a crack in your foundation, it's something that needs to be filled. And I won't get on a tangent. [00:36:50] Speaker B: Here's a funny name. Visqueen. [00:36:52] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. That is a funny name. [00:36:54] Speaker B: This queen. [00:36:55] Speaker C: This queen, also known as poly. [00:36:58] Speaker B: Yeah. Or plastic. [00:36:59] Speaker C: Or plastic. Yeah. And it's a sheeting as well. This queen is what's used to cover the bare ground underneath your home in your crawl space. And that keeps moisture from coming up out of the ground and. And getting your, you know, your. The moisture coming up and settling in the wooden structure of your home. [00:37:18] Speaker B: In some areas of the country, they actually put visqueen on the walls. Really? Like in Canada? Yeah. Sounds like canadian shows. [00:37:27] Speaker C: It sounds like a dew point to me. [00:37:29] Speaker B: It is. Well, it is. And it depends on your climate. So we don't do it here because we have a really temperate climate and we don't have a lot of humidity. In areas, like different parts of the country where the climates are different, it actually benefits them to use visqueen and air seal it. But it's very important to air seal it, because if you don't, you can create a dew point at that sheath in the wall cavity that could potentially. You'll have condensation there on that plastic, which is really difficult to manage once it's inside the wall. [00:38:01] Speaker C: Visqueen is available in clear and black, very commonly. And those sizes of rolls that. That comes on are usually pretty big. 810, 1216, and 20 by 100ft. Yeah, by 50 sometimes, and then by 100ft. And that goes all the way up to 24, 26, 28ft by 100 foot. Those are big rolls for covering a big area. [00:38:25] Speaker B: I've sold rolls like that to cover entire homes. [00:38:29] Speaker C: Yeah. Yikes. [00:38:30] Speaker B: So, yeah. So another term here that goes along with the foundation would be a footing. [00:38:36] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. The footing is actually. I feel like you're asking me to just to describe each of these things. So I'm just going to jump in. If I'm talking too much, you just tell me. The footing is actually concrete that's poured underneath the stem wall. So the footing is part of your foundation, but it's generally the first pour and it's down and then the stem walls poured on top of that. Sometimes when foundations are poured, they mono pour, which means they build a. They build a form that allows them to pour the footing and the stem at the same time. [00:39:05] Speaker B: Or a footing could also be, uh, under a post. [00:39:08] Speaker C: That's right. [00:39:09] Speaker B: Individual footing. Um, also going along with shoeing. You have to. Shoeing your footing. [00:39:15] Speaker C: Shoeing your footing. [00:39:17] Speaker B: Wow. [00:39:18] Speaker C: I feel like. I feel like we've started talking about something. [00:39:20] Speaker B: Totally made that up. [00:39:21] Speaker C: Yeah. Something that Al Bundy would know more about. [00:39:24] Speaker B: Shoeing would be like. [00:39:26] Speaker C: That'd be like, you shoe your horses. [00:39:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Like the dog comes in and you're eating. Shoo, shoo, shoo, shoo, shoo out of here. [00:39:32] Speaker C: Shooing the dog. Yes. I see. Okay, you know what? We gotta take a quick break. When we come back, more lumberyard lingo. You're listening to Tony, Corey, your weekend warriors. Don't go away. [00:39:54] Speaker A: You're listening to the weeknd warriors home improvement show built by Parl Umber. When it comes to big or small projects around the home, Tony and Corey, you've got the know how and the answers to make your life just a bit easier. Now here's Tony and Corey. [00:40:16] Speaker B: Hey, welcome back to the weekend warriors home improvement show built by par Lumber. I'm Cory Valdez. [00:40:21] Speaker C: I'm Tony Cookston. [00:40:22] Speaker B: Thanks for staying with us today in the show. We're talking lumberyard lingo, but if you haven't already, go check out our Facebook and Instagram. We're home show. If you would like to watch or listen to this podcast, you can go to YouTube. We're recording the show right now. So welcome all you youtubers. Make sure you subscribe to our channel. You get all the latest updates. We're doing tons of how to videos right now and product reviews. We love it. We're doing all that and we're loading that up right now. Go check it out. If you have questions or comments, you can leave them there or you can email us. You can also check out our website at wwh homeshow.com. [00:41:02] Speaker C: Yeah, you can also go to par.com, parr.com, click on the weekend warriors link and it'll take you to our website. All of our stuff is there. [00:41:09] Speaker B: Yeah, so we've kind of. [00:41:10] Speaker C: Yeah, we've kind of delved into a really sort of construction lingo a little bit. We started in the lumberyard. We're talking about those things. And some of the things that go along with that are project terms. Terms that you might come across during your project, which is definitely terms you'll come across in a conversation with somebody at the lumberyard about your project. Yeah. [00:41:30] Speaker B: If you come in there saying, I need some of that stuff that goes under the house, and it's, you know, it's that thing. And it goes next to that tall. [00:41:37] Speaker C: Tall whatchamacallit. [00:41:38] Speaker B: Narrow, you know. [00:41:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:41:39] Speaker B: They're not gonna know what you're talking about. [00:41:40] Speaker C: The whosie, what's it. [00:41:41] Speaker B: So, you know, we're covering this stuff for your benefit. [00:41:44] Speaker C: You know, the green thing over by that super rough stuff. This is dumb. [00:41:51] Speaker B: So. Yeah, so let's keep going. We're talking about a little framing terms now that you most likely hear in a lumberyard. Here's another big common one is post and beam. [00:42:02] Speaker C: Post and beam. Absolutely. This is becoming. Becoming less and less common, isn't it? [00:42:08] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, with the event of ijoyce. Ijoyce are becoming a lot more popular. Slab on gray. Those are other terms. But a post and beam is going to be a huge percentage of homes built, at least in the Pacific Northwest. The way they build homes here is they do a little dig out. They pour little piers all through that foundation. [00:42:32] Speaker C: Concrete pads. [00:42:33] Speaker B: Yeah. Throw plastic visqueen down, and then little posts. And then they put beams down that span from one side of the home to the other. And then rest on those posts. [00:42:44] Speaker C: And then right over the top of that, of course. Is your decking correct? Yeah. Two by six, tongue and groove decking. Usually, if you're pretty common, beam down. Yeah. [00:42:52] Speaker B: A newer version of that would be to use inch and an 8th edge gold or, you know, OSB TNg. That's pretty common. That's a really, really nice floor. One of the bad things about two by six, tongue and groove are all of the knots and the airflow. It essentially is leaving that area wide open between your crawl space and your living space because of all that free airflow. [00:43:19] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:43:19] Speaker B: So. [00:43:19] Speaker C: That's right, yeah. Also, you mentioned inch and an 8th wafer board. Tongue and groove. Right. Could also be inch and an 8th, two for one, which would be like a plywood, underlay grade plywood. Tng two for one. I think that got that. They got that's name. They were calling it two. Two floors for one. Two floors in one. [00:43:41] Speaker B: I think it's two four one. [00:43:43] Speaker C: It is 241-2412 for one, two for one. [00:43:48] Speaker B: You know the difference between a full face and a scant face? [00:43:51] Speaker C: I do. [00:43:52] Speaker B: That's pretty. That's getting in the weeds there a little bit. [00:43:56] Speaker C: Yeah. That is. It really starts to get. It really starts to get complicated, kind of. [00:43:59] Speaker B: Sometimes you might get that question. You walk in and say, I need a sheet of inch and an 8th plywood. They would say you want full face or scant face. Most times the lumber yards only going to stock one. And there's no reason to stock both scant and full. But it essentially is the width of the panel. Either they measure it from the edge of the groove to the other side, or they measure from. Measure it from inside of the tongue to the edge of the panel. [00:44:27] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:44:27] Speaker B: So this one's scant 48 inches and the other one's full 48 inches. [00:44:31] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, it ultimately depends on. Not depends. It results in a different bit of. Of coverage. So it can be important. [00:44:41] Speaker B: Yeah, the layout's important. [00:44:42] Speaker C: Yeah. So what else you got after post and beam, what do you got? [00:44:46] Speaker B: Well, you know, we covered subfloor car decking. Here's a funny one. Sill sealer. [00:44:52] Speaker C: Sil sealer. [00:44:53] Speaker B: Seal. I've heard it. Seal seal sealer to silver sil sealer, foam sill seal. Essentially what that is is it's a roll of thin foam, maybe like an 8th of an inch thick, that rolls out and creates an air barrier. Cuts the air out between the home exterior and interior. Essentially, it's like a gasket goes on. [00:45:16] Speaker C: Top of the concrete and under your treated plate. [00:45:20] Speaker B: Yes. [00:45:21] Speaker C: And then, of course, on top of your treated plate is the bottom of your wall, which is. [00:45:25] Speaker B: There's a pretty interesting story that I heard from somebody who potentially was in the know. And I don't know if this is entirely true, but it actually makes sense. So they put sill sealer, that foam gasket, between the foundation, the concrete foundation and the bottom plate. Your. Your pressure treated sill plate, green plate, mud sill. That's a lot of terms there. [00:45:48] Speaker C: Yes, a lot. [00:45:49] Speaker B: But it's supposed to create an air stop between the outside and the inside. But then we have vents all around that foundation wall. It makes no difference. Right. So what is that foam sill stealer even doing? So this guy said, told me, he's like, what was actually. It was supposed to go on top of the sill plate so that when your plywood went down on it or even above that, I think between the plywood or your subfloor and your bottom plate. [00:46:20] Speaker C: Bottom plate of your wall. [00:46:21] Speaker B: Yeah. So it would prevent air leakage into the inside of your home. Right now, it prevents air leakage into your crawl space, which just makes no sense. [00:46:29] Speaker C: Yeah, because there's free air flowing in your crawl space already. [00:46:33] Speaker B: It's weird, right? [00:46:34] Speaker C: Yeah, it is. I admit it is weird. I don't know that I completely understand that. And yet everybody uses it all the time. [00:46:41] Speaker B: Well, it's written into the code. The guy that told me the story said, well, you know, they did it this way, and they wrote it in there wrong. So they've just been doing it wrong ever since. It was credible. [00:46:51] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:46:51] Speaker B: You know, it just. It makes sense. [00:46:53] Speaker C: It's very interesting. It's an interesting thought. It's not super inexpensive stuff, but it is something. Corey and I used it a little unconventionally, actually. Yeah, we used it when we built the studio here, and we actually used sil sealer up at the top, behind the sheetrock. Between the sheetrock and the wall cavity. [00:47:13] Speaker B: At the top and the bottom. [00:47:14] Speaker C: Yep. At the top and the bottom to create a. [00:47:17] Speaker B: An air seal. So this shed was kind of built, you know, as a shed, and since we wanted to finish it, we didn't want all this air infiltration leakage, so we. We foamed everything up. [00:47:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:47:28] Speaker B: And I tell you what, it's tight as a. [00:47:30] Speaker C: It's tight as a drum. Yeah, that's for sure. [00:47:32] Speaker B: It's really difficult to open and close our door. [00:47:36] Speaker C: Okay. What's the next one? [00:47:38] Speaker B: Anchor bolt. [00:47:39] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. That's a good one. Yeah, there's a lot of names for that, too. Red head. What about a pin drive? Easy anchor. Yep. There's a lot of those wedges. Yeah, there's a lot of those. Anyways, this is something that you use to tie your wood to your concrete. And if you get a j bolt. J bolt you set in the foundation when it's wet, and then when it sets up, you just have this bolt, this threaded bolt sticking up out of the foundation. Drill a hole in your. In your green plate, which is the pressure treated material that separates the foundation wall from the bottom plate of your. Of your wall. And the reason why you do that is because concrete is porous. Right. And so water will wick from the concrete into the wood that's sitting on top of it. So you use a pressure treated piece of wood there and untreated wood on top of that. We'll talk more about that right after this break. You're listening to Tony and Corey. Your weekend warriors will be right back. [00:48:56] Speaker A: You're listening to the Weeknd warriors home improvement show, built by Barl Humber. Now here's Tony and. [00:49:09] Speaker B: Hey, welcome back to the Wicked warriors home improvement show. Thanks for staying with us today. We're talking about lumberyard lingo. We kind of moved into framing terms. [00:49:19] Speaker C: Construction terms. [00:49:20] Speaker B: Yeah, construction terms. So we started off with the foundation kind of working our way through the house. You know, we talked about plates, you know, not the ones you eat off of, but the lumber plates. [00:49:32] Speaker C: Sill plate. [00:49:33] Speaker B: Sill plate. [00:49:34] Speaker C: Then your bottom plate, green plate. [00:49:36] Speaker B: There's another one here. Studs. [00:49:38] Speaker C: Studs. [00:49:39] Speaker B: Not talking about us. [00:49:40] Speaker C: There's a couple of them in this room, I'll tell you. Whoo. Yeah. [00:49:44] Speaker B: But no, studs are typically pre cut links. [00:49:50] Speaker C: Precision and trimmed. [00:49:52] Speaker B: Yeah. They call it pet. You'd come in and order a stud. They're cut in such a way that the wall height with your plates will net you an eight foot, a nine foot or a ten foot wall. And even seven foot six or something weird is 88 and five eighths. [00:50:11] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:50:11] Speaker B: Plus your plates, that's old, old low, low ceiling houses were built 88 five eight. [00:50:17] Speaker C: I owned a house with walls that high. Yeah. That's a bummer. You just don't want to live in a house that's got ceilings that are that low. Right. No fun. [00:50:26] Speaker B: But, yeah. You've got your 92 and five, 8104 and five eight get you nine foot and then 116 and five eight get you your ten foot again. That's with all of the plates and the studs together that nets you that wall. [00:50:39] Speaker C: And because so many studs are purchased, I mean, in mass quantity, and we buy them in mass quantity already. Precision and trimmed. They're actually pretty affordable. They're super inexpensive. [00:50:49] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:50:50] Speaker C: So, but if you, if you wanted to get an eight foot two by four, you wouldn't say a two by four stud because the two by four stud would be a precision and trimmed length. One of those links. Now, they are inexpensive, but they're not eight foot tall there. [00:51:02] Speaker B: If you came in and said, give me, give me 22 by four eight foot studs. [00:51:06] Speaker C: Right. [00:51:06] Speaker B: They would probably give you 92 and five eight. [00:51:09] Speaker C: Right. [00:51:09] Speaker B: And then you'd be like, what in the world? [00:51:11] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:51:12] Speaker B: However, here's something to keep in mind. If you were going in to build, say, a shed and you wanted the wall heights, you want eight foot. Well, eight foot, say you wanted eight footers and you wanted your wall height to be like, you know, 100 inches overall, you know, with your plate heights, you're, you're going to go in and you're going to get two by four eights and you got, say, 50 of them. All 50 of those studs are not going to be the same length. I guarantee it. They vary anywhere between, you know, 96 and an 8th or 95 and three quarter to 96 and a half. It's just that the range, because there's, there's a industry standard of variance in. Allowable variance in that cut length because they're not precision end trimmed. That's right. Which studs are right. So you order ten units of 92 and five eight studs. They're all 92 and five eight. It's just the way it is. [00:52:11] Speaker C: Right. [00:52:12] Speaker B: It's just something to keep in mind. [00:52:13] Speaker C: Yeah. There is such thing as industry standard and that allows for some variation in sizes. So that's something to keep in mind. Absolutely. [00:52:25] Speaker B: Here's one. If you're a soccer fan, soccer header. [00:52:28] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, I've never done a header in soccer. I've never played soccer, but I feel like it would be something I'd want to do if I did. [00:52:39] Speaker B: Yeah, I would just header all the. [00:52:41] Speaker C: Time, just right into the goal. [00:52:43] Speaker B: I can't kick very hard, but I could probably headbutt that sucker. [00:52:47] Speaker C: The header generally a four by six, a four by eight, four by ten, or a four by twelve, or could even be six by. Is the, is the beam that goes over top of your doors and windows. Any fenestration in the wall? There's a header that goes over the top. It sits on top of trimmers and, and that carries the load that is in the wall and the roof above an opening. Obviously, you put an opening, there's no studs in that opening. So that opening is susceptible. So you put a very heavy duty beam over the top of that tin. [00:53:20] Speaker B: Carry transfers that load carry that load that's right around that window or door opening down to the foundation. [00:53:26] Speaker C: Right. That's a header. Header stock, they call it. [00:53:29] Speaker B: Yeah. And those actually sit on King studs. King studs and trimmers. [00:53:34] Speaker C: King studs and trimmers, that's right. [00:53:36] Speaker B: So. Oh, here's another one. Bearing wall. [00:53:39] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:53:40] Speaker B: I think we've probably, we've talked about. [00:53:42] Speaker C: That term before a few times now. [00:53:43] Speaker B: You've got bearing, non bearing and load bearing. You know, sometimes if somebody come in and somebody will say, well, I want to remove this wall. And you might say, was it a bearing wall or a load bearing wall? That just means that there is physical load transferring down from the roof or a second floor or something sitting on that wall. And if you remove it, it's structural, so you can't just take it out. You have to replace it with a header. [00:54:09] Speaker C: Right? That's right. Or a beam overhead, something like that. [00:54:13] Speaker B: Yeah. A bearing wall to carry that load. Opposite of a partition wall. A partition wall is non load bearing and it's just there to partition off rooms in your house. So if you say you have a 20 foot wide home, ranch home, and the trusses span from one side to the other, every wall in that house on the interior more than likely is a partition wall. [00:54:38] Speaker C: Yep. [00:54:39] Speaker B: So if you said, I want to take them all out, you probably can. [00:54:42] Speaker C: Because the trusses are carrying the load. [00:54:43] Speaker B: Correct. [00:54:44] Speaker C: From exterior wall to exterior wall and there's nothing in the middle. [00:54:47] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:54:48] Speaker C: Makes perfect sense. [00:54:49] Speaker B: So we kind of covered. Oh, shear wall. [00:54:53] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. This is going to be you all day long. [00:54:55] Speaker B: Well, yeah, I mean, a shear wall is an engineered wall. And this, again, is something you would typically see in areas of ours where you would have seismic, potentially seismic occurrences where if there was an earthquake. Well, what your house is going to want to do. [00:55:15] Speaker C: Shimmy. Is. [00:55:16] Speaker B: Yeah, shimmy. Kind of shimmy. And rack. [00:55:18] Speaker C: Right. [00:55:19] Speaker B: And when you're talking about shear, that shear wall is there. It's engineered by an engineer that says this wall will act as a shear wall to prevent your house from collapsing in the event of an earthquake. [00:55:36] Speaker C: Right. [00:55:37] Speaker B: And they're specifically designed, you'd see them a lot in narrow walls, like on a garage front wall. That's typically a shear wall where it's. It's specifically designed. Like I said, in the event of an earthquake, your house won't catastrophically fail. That's the main idea behind that. [00:55:57] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, you put, when you put a wall up, right, the top plate and the bottom plate and the studs in between, it would want to fall left or right. [00:56:04] Speaker B: Right. [00:56:05] Speaker C: It would want to collapse on itself like dominoes, kind of. [00:56:07] Speaker B: Yeah. Until you put sheet on it. [00:56:09] Speaker C: Yeah, until you put Sheetrock on it. And when you put Sheetrock on it, then that makes it more sturdy. But in the case of an earthquake, that sheetrock is going to crumble and fall right off. So they put structural panels on that wall in order to make it. To give it sheer strength so that it won't rack back and forth. [00:56:25] Speaker B: And sometimes there'll even be extra heavy duty hardware in there that bolt down through that wall. They bolt to, say, studs or posts inside of that wall that are nailed with specific nailing patterns in that load is bolted down to the foundation with very heavy duty. I mean, five, eight, three quarter, even one inch hex bolts. Take all of that load and bolt it down to the house. [00:56:52] Speaker C: Yeah. So it can't go flying away. It's just that thing is there. [00:56:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:56:55] Speaker C: And it's keeping your house standing up straight. [00:56:57] Speaker B: That's exactly what they're for. [00:56:59] Speaker C: Shear wall. [00:56:59] Speaker B: Shear. All right. Here's another term that you might hear, and it's a ledger. [00:57:06] Speaker C: Ledger. [00:57:06] Speaker B: Like Heath. [00:57:07] Speaker C: Like Heath ledger. [00:57:08] Speaker B: Yes. [00:57:09] Speaker C: No. [00:57:10] Speaker B: Or your checkbook ledger. [00:57:11] Speaker C: I'll tell you what. When you say ledger to me, the first thing that I think about is the board that you nail, or fasten. Not nail, honestly. Fasten, to the side of the house. Right. And that holds your deck structure. If you're putting a deck up and you're attaching it to the house, the first thing you put on is a ledger board. You fasten that ledger board very tightly to the house, strong and secure, and then all of the rest of your decking members are attached to that. Keeps it up from. Keeps it from falling down. Yeah. [00:57:42] Speaker B: No, you're exactly right. [00:57:43] Speaker C: It's our ledger. [00:57:43] Speaker B: Ledger. [00:57:44] Speaker C: Yes. [00:57:44] Speaker B: You can also have ledgers on the inside. You know, depending on how the wall is built. You could have what's called a balloon frame wall. Sometimes you could balloon frame from the. That's a funny term. I know. All that means is the studs go from the, you know, bottom floor all the way up to the second floor. And then sometimes you can put a ledger across that and to hang your second floor on. Or, you know, any. Any sort of ledger, like you said. [00:58:13] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ledger. Yeah. Ledger. [00:58:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Anyway, so let's move on. How about coffer? [00:58:23] Speaker C: No, I don't know. [00:58:25] Speaker B: You don't know what a coffer is? [00:58:26] Speaker C: I do know what something is when it's coffered, but I don't know how to describe a coffer. What is a coffer? [00:58:33] Speaker B: I'll tell you after the break. [00:58:34] Speaker C: All right, we got to take a quick break. More lumberjard lingo when we get back. You're listening to Tony and Cory. Don't go away. [00:58:56] Speaker A: You're listening to the weeknd warriors home improvement show, built by Parl Lumber. Now here's Tony and Cory. [00:59:10] Speaker B: Hey, welcome back to the show, everybody. Thanks for staying with us today in the show. We're talking about lumberyard lingo, but I want to remind everybody that we are on YouTube now. We're recording the show right now. It's going to air on YouTube and you can go check that out. Or just search the weekend warriors home improvement show. That'll bring it up. Subscribe to that. We'd love that. Also, check us out on Instagram and Facebook at WWH home show. Go like us. Follow us. That sort of thing. We put some really, really cool posts up and that we're really proud of. So we'd love you to see them. [00:59:42] Speaker C: Absolutely. [00:59:43] Speaker B: Questions or comments? We absolutely would love that, too. So today on the show, we're talking about lingo, and before the break, we, we're talking about coffer. [00:59:53] Speaker C: Coffer. Yeah. Well, you said to me, coffer. I know. I know what a coffered ceiling is, but is a coffer just one of the coffers in a ceiling? [01:00:03] Speaker B: Yeah. It's an indentation in a ceiling. You would see old coffered ceilings. You might see architectural where they're many squares or octagonal shapes that are indented with built out pieces of trim. It looks really, really cool. That's a cool term, coffer. When I have you over, I make you fill my coffers with money. [01:00:29] Speaker C: They put money in this, in the holes in the ceiling, labor. [01:00:35] Speaker B: Anyway, how about a Jack? A stair jack. [01:00:40] Speaker C: Stair jack. Also known as a stair stringer. [01:00:42] Speaker B: Yeah. Or a riser. Or a stair riser. [01:00:44] Speaker C: Yeah. Stair riser. That is the structure that is sort of looks like teeth or, I don't know, jagged, you know, thing that goes up and it holds your stair treads and your stair risers. Yeah. [01:00:59] Speaker B: Yeah. A landing horse, landing pad. [01:01:03] Speaker C: That's land. It's at the top and the bottom of the stairs. Yep. [01:01:06] Speaker B: Or, yeah. Here's some interesting. Well, let's talk about roofs. Or roofs. Say roof. Or roof. [01:01:13] Speaker C: I say. I say roof. Roof. [01:01:16] Speaker B: Roof. [01:01:17] Speaker C: Yeah, maybe. I say roof. [01:01:19] Speaker B: I say roof. [01:01:20] Speaker C: I'm not entirely sure. [01:01:22] Speaker B: Roof. So roofs. Lots of different types of roofs. Roofs. A shed roof. Everybody kind of know what a shed roof is. [01:01:31] Speaker C: Yeah. Shed roof is like half of an a frame. [01:01:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Like sit on a ledger on the side of a wall and just have a shed roof out. [01:01:38] Speaker C: Just a couple posts. Drops a little bit to let the water run off. That's perfect. Yeah. [01:01:43] Speaker B: Then you have a gable roof. [01:01:46] Speaker C: That's like an a frame roof on top of. Yeah. Standard a frame. [01:01:50] Speaker B: Go to a point. A hip roof. A hip roof won't have a gable, but it'll have a hip rafter that comes from the peak down to the corner and all sides are angled down. [01:02:03] Speaker C: Mm hmm. That's hard to describe. I know you're talking about, of course, because there's no gable end. Instead of a gable end, it's roofed over. [01:02:11] Speaker B: Here's a weird one. Game, bro. [01:02:15] Speaker C: Yeah. I feel like this game. I don't know, but I feel like that's telling me barn. [01:02:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, that's exactly right. An old barn roof where it has a double pitched roof. [01:02:24] Speaker C: Right. Okay. [01:02:25] Speaker B: Go up at a very high, high pitch, and then go up to the. [01:02:30] Speaker C: Peak, and then there's always a rooster on top. Right. Is there like. Like a weather. A weather. Vanessa. Rooster. Weather vane on top of a gambrel roof. If it's not there, you did something wrong. [01:02:41] Speaker B: Yeah. You should always have that. [01:02:42] Speaker C: I think it just appears there automatically. When you. When you build a structure with a gambrel roof, there's automatically a weather van. [01:02:49] Speaker B: Here's the last weird one. A mansard. [01:02:52] Speaker C: Oh, no. I have no idea what that is. [01:02:54] Speaker B: A mansard roof. Mansard. Oh, mansard. [01:02:57] Speaker C: Mansard. [01:02:58] Speaker B: Mansard roof. [01:02:59] Speaker C: I don't. I don't know what that is. [01:03:00] Speaker B: That one is very difficult to describe. I would call it french. Very, like, french chateau, where the. The roof on the. On the exterior is very. It almost looks like a hat. It's very high pitched, and then it goes up to a point, and then. [01:03:16] Speaker C: It'S flat on top. [01:03:17] Speaker B: Flat. [01:03:17] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, I've seen that. [01:03:19] Speaker B: Sure. [01:03:19] Speaker C: Yeah. That's cool. I would not have known that, but that's a pretty cool look, and I've seen that around. It's old. [01:03:26] Speaker B: Actually. It's british. Take that back. [01:03:28] Speaker C: Okay. [01:03:29] Speaker B: I thought it was french. It kind of reminds me of French, but maybe the. Maybe the French stole it from great Britain. [01:03:34] Speaker C: Well, you know what reminds me of French is a croissant. Is that French? [01:03:38] Speaker B: I doubt it. [01:03:39] Speaker C: Okay. Probably not. [01:03:40] Speaker B: I don't know. [01:03:40] Speaker C: It reminds me of French. [01:03:41] Speaker B: Anyway, let's get back to construction. [01:03:43] Speaker C: Construction? Yeah. How about a purlin? [01:03:46] Speaker B: A purlin? Yeah. A purlin is part of a roof structure. Yeah, a roof structure. It could be a main beam that other joists hang off of. [01:03:56] Speaker C: Okay. [01:03:57] Speaker B: That would be called a purlin. [01:03:59] Speaker C: Joists are the other part of the structure. Right. Ceiling joist. [01:04:04] Speaker B: Or roof rafter. [01:04:05] Speaker C: Or roof rafter. Yep. [01:04:06] Speaker B: Also, you would have in there a ridge. Hips, valleys. Yeah, hips, ridges, and valleys. And we kind of talked about those a little bit with a different roof structure. A hip roof uses hip rafters and jack rafters that go down from the peak into all four corners. So that would be a hip, and then that hip rafter is, you know, right down, smack in the middle, and then the jack rafters come off of that. [01:04:35] Speaker C: Yeah. Boy, I tell you what, it's complicated. [01:04:37] Speaker B: It is complicated. And to be honest, you don't see too many hand cut roofs like that anymore. Most of them are going to be truss. Truss. [01:04:45] Speaker C: Yeah. Very common trusses these days. [01:04:48] Speaker B: How about an outrigger? [01:04:49] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:04:50] Speaker B: Outrigger is a term for a piece of wood or a piece of lumber on a gable end. So you'd have your gable end and then you would have your barge or. Yeah, barge rafter or barge rafter fascia. What that is, is that's that piece that sticks out as an overhang on a gable. [01:05:11] Speaker C: Right. Right. [01:05:11] Speaker B: So to hold that on, they have what's called outlookers. That it's a piece of wood that goes back to the nearest truss in. [01:05:19] Speaker C: Yep. [01:05:19] Speaker B: And then sticks out as an outrigger to hold up your bar drafter. [01:05:24] Speaker C: Yeah. And to hold up your sheeting and your roofing. Correct. Because if the roofing and sheeting ended at your gable end, you'd have no overhang. [01:05:32] Speaker B: Right. [01:05:32] Speaker C: So the outlookers or outriggers give you that overhang. That's awesome. Yeah. [01:05:37] Speaker B: And then we talked about fascia. Fascia is the piece of wood that goes on the edge of the roof. [01:05:45] Speaker C: Yes. It's your trim piece. [01:05:46] Speaker B: Trim it out. [01:05:47] Speaker C: The outermost trim piece in barge or varge? [01:05:51] Speaker B: That's kind of a weird one to me. Fascia is, let's say behind a gutter, you would have fascia behind the gutter, but on a gable end, you know, you'd have that a frame. The piece of trim that goes out there is your barge or your varge. [01:06:07] Speaker C: Interesting rafter. I've never heard it referred to as a varge with a v for victory. [01:06:12] Speaker B: I've heard both interesting varge and varge and Marge Simpson at large. [01:06:20] Speaker C: Nice. [01:06:20] Speaker B: How about a collar tie? Do you know what a collar tie is? [01:06:25] Speaker C: You know, I can think of a tie and a collar and they go together. But I'm not sure that I know what a collar tie is. [01:06:33] Speaker B: A collar tie is a piece of wood. So say you have a ridge beam or a ridge rafter, and then you're in a hand cut roof. You'd have pieces of lumber that come up that are roof rafters that, that meet at that ridge. [01:06:48] Speaker C: Okay. [01:06:48] Speaker B: A collar tie is the piece of wood that ties this rafter to this rafter. [01:06:54] Speaker C: Oh, that straight piece underneath. [01:06:55] Speaker B: Yeah, that little straight piece. [01:06:56] Speaker C: Oh, sure. [01:06:57] Speaker B: Tucked up. [01:06:57] Speaker C: Yeah. I didn't know that was called collar tie. [01:06:59] Speaker B: A little a there. [01:07:00] Speaker C: Awesome. That is good. What about collard greens. [01:07:03] Speaker B: Love them. [01:07:03] Speaker C: Love them. I do. [01:07:04] Speaker B: Love color. [01:07:05] Speaker C: High in vitamin k. I don't know if you knew that. [01:07:06] Speaker B: I didn't know that. [01:07:07] Speaker C: Very high. Yeah, it's good. [01:07:08] Speaker B: High in vitamin. Yummy. We also, earlier we were talking about soffit and eaves. That's just that overhang from on your roof. [01:07:20] Speaker C: Yeah. The soffit is that you could have an enclosed soffit, and then when you wouldn't be able to look up and see the truss tails and the roof sheeting, because it would be enclosed below, and then that soffit would be vented in the enclosure as opposed to being vented in the trust tails. Between the trust tales. [01:07:39] Speaker B: Right. Uh, sticking with trusses, you know, do you know the difference between, uh, vaulted scissors and attic trusses? [01:07:50] Speaker C: I do. You do? I do. Yep. I mean, I I can tell you that attic trusses allow for storage, um, up above the main living space. So you put an attic ladder in there, go up in there, and the bottom cords of those trusses are engineered in such a way that they allow you to put a load there. And so those are attic trusses. And I know that a vaulted ceiling is, well, obviously there's no flat structure directly above your head, no ceiling. Instead, the framing of the roof all the way up to the very peak is all open. Now, a scissored truss is like a truss that allows you to have a vaulted type of ceiling, but not a full vault. We should cover more about that when we come back. You're listening to Tony and Corey, your weekend warriors. Don't go away. [01:08:56] Speaker A: You're listening to the weeknd warriors home improvement show, built by Parl Lumber. Here's Tony and Corey. [01:09:09] Speaker B: Hey, welcome back to the weekend warriors. Thanks for sticking around. Today. Tony and I are talking about lumber yard lingo. The past couple segments, we've been talking about construction terms. Construction terms, construction lingo. And some of the things you might hear on a construction site or in. [01:09:28] Speaker C: The lumberyard talking about your project. [01:09:30] Speaker B: That's right. If you're working on something in your own home and you walk in and you're trying to describe it. [01:09:35] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:09:35] Speaker B: Hopefully this helps you out. [01:09:36] Speaker C: If you're building a shed or something, even as simple as a little garden storage space or a shop or something, you're definitely talking about a lot of this stuff. [01:09:47] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I mean, I've heard the term when people are building shops, you sell, a lot of times, attic trusses. And another term for a vaulted ceiling. You can use scissor trusses to accomplish that. Essentially, you're building. It sounds weird, but you're building trusses that kind of look like a scissor and they rest on one wall and another wall might be your outside walls. And the inside pitch is pitched up in such a manner that it looks vaulted. [01:10:17] Speaker C: Right? It looks vaulted. Yep. Absolutely. Let's see, what else have you got there that's. I mean, the opposite of a hand cut roof. You mentioned it earlier. A hand cut roof. A hand cut roof is framed with individual structural members, joists, rafters, all of those types of things. Though, that would be taking the place of a truss. [01:10:36] Speaker B: A truss roof, yeah. It's much more, much more complex. A lot more math when you're cutting, so you don't see those too often. A lot of production homes are built using trusses and that's much easier way to do it. They crane them in, they set them on top of your top plates on the second floor or first floor, and you've got a roof. [01:10:56] Speaker C: How about a plum? You like plums? [01:10:59] Speaker B: I love plum. Yeah, and I love square. [01:11:01] Speaker C: Oh. [01:11:02] Speaker B: Do you know the difference between plum and square? [01:11:04] Speaker C: Well, I know plum is sort of a purplish color, round and squishy. [01:11:08] Speaker B: How about a square? [01:11:09] Speaker C: Plum had a plum tree. No, I've not seen a square plum. [01:11:12] Speaker B: Do you know the difference between a plum being plum and being square? [01:11:15] Speaker C: Do you? [01:11:17] Speaker B: I don't know. [01:11:18] Speaker C: Are you asking. Wait, are you asking me? Do you know, Tony, the difference between plumb and square? [01:11:22] Speaker B: Yes. [01:11:23] Speaker C: Plumb is straight up and down and square is a right angle. Right. Or as it relates to another surface. So square is perfectly perpendicular to another surface and plumb is straight up and down. Did I get that right? [01:11:39] Speaker B: Yeah. Woo. Look at me go in level. So something level would be horizontal or something plum would be. [01:11:45] Speaker C: Yeah, perfect. [01:11:46] Speaker B: Straight up and down. [01:11:47] Speaker C: Yeah. That's a very. Those are very common terms. If it's not, if you built it and it's not plum, it's a problem. [01:11:56] Speaker B: I used to get yelled at by my buddy when we were building my fence and I'd throw the level on there. I'd say. And I'd say, yeah, it's level. He said, no, it's not. [01:12:07] Speaker C: It's not. [01:12:08] Speaker B: I'm like, what are you talking about? The bubble's right there. And he says, it's plumbing. Plum used to yell at me. He beat that into me. So that's good stuff. Level and square. [01:12:15] Speaker C: Plumb, level and square. [01:12:16] Speaker B: So here's some other terms that we've kind of. We've touched on a little bit. But hold downs, straps, hangers, post bases, and post caps, those are all things that you're going to find in a home here in the Pacific Northwest especially, that are usually surrounded around the seismic aspect of building. [01:12:41] Speaker C: Right, right. [01:12:42] Speaker B: So a hole down. What that. What typically, what that is is a piece of hardware, metal that will go inside of a wall that will bolt that structure down to the foundation or to the. [01:12:57] Speaker C: Or to the structure that's beneath it. You also use hold downs to hold a second floor to the first floor. [01:13:03] Speaker B: They can, yeah, yeah. So that's typically what a hold down would be. A strap could potentially do the same thing. You could potentially have a strap, a metal strap that goes horizontally, that will offer sheer value to that structure. [01:13:19] Speaker C: I feel like very commonly in a garage application, they use straps that take, that attach the garage wall on the door side that's underneath the beam strap across the beam, and to the top of the structure that's above the beam, holds all of that stuff together right there. [01:13:36] Speaker B: Here's a weird one for you. Drag strut. [01:13:40] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, I've seen those, and they are big. I mean, those things are, like, quarter inch thick or better. That is some serious steel. [01:13:49] Speaker B: I am not an engineer, but from what I understand, a drag strut allows it transfers shear from one side of the building to another using a drag strut. [01:14:01] Speaker C: That's over my. That's over my pay scale. [01:14:03] Speaker B: Probably way oversimplifying that. I'm sure an engineer listening to this will go an idiot over my pay scale. But we sell lots of them. [01:14:10] Speaker C: Yeah, we were talking about hangers. Hangers. So, if you're building a deck, let's say, for example, and you've put the ledger on the wall, and you're going to attach your joist to the ledger instead of just fastening through the back of the ledger into the joist, which would be easier to do if the ledger wasn't attached to the house. You can put hangers, these metal u shaped hangers, on the ledger, fasten them with chico nails, and then you can drop the joists right into that hanger, and then that goes out to the beam that it's sitting on, or more hangers on the beam that's at the other end of the deck. So, hangers are these metal things, u shaped metal deals that hold your lumber tightly to the structure that you're attaching it to. [01:14:56] Speaker B: You just said another funny word. Tico. [01:14:59] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Tico. What's a tico? [01:15:00] Speaker B: A tqo. That's a. That's a word that I didn't know. When I first came to Oregon and started working in the building materials industry, somebody came in and said, I need a box of t cos. And I said, I have no idea what you're talking about. It is a metal connector nail. [01:15:16] Speaker C: A joist hanger. [01:15:17] Speaker B: A joist hanger nail. Typically they're really fat in diameter. They have a lot of sheer value to them. Uh, and they're, you know, typically an inch and a quarter or inch and a half or two and a half inches, depending on what you're, uh, you're nailing. Uh, but yeah, that's a tco. A joist metal connector nail. [01:15:38] Speaker C: Yeah. And they make them big. You ever seen an n 54? [01:15:42] Speaker B: Would you call an n 54 a tcho? [01:15:44] Speaker C: It's a joist hanger. Now. [01:15:45] Speaker B: It is. [01:15:46] Speaker C: So it's a teco. It's a really, really big one. [01:15:48] Speaker B: They're fat. [01:15:49] Speaker C: They're fat. Yeah. [01:15:50] Speaker B: They n 54s are like the size. [01:15:51] Speaker C: Of your pinky tico nails for hangers. Also a post cap and a post base. These are very common. A post base holds your post. Your vertical post to the concrete footing or to the wood structure that it's sitting on keeps the bottom from kicking out, which you need it to be tied there securely. And post cap goes at the top of the post and ties the top of the post to whatever it's tying to. Generally the bottom of a beam. If you're posting up a beam, then you put a post cap on the top from the post to the beam. You put a post base on the bottom from the post to the structure that you're tying it to. And those are very common. [01:16:33] Speaker B: Yeah. No, you make a good point there. We should talk about nails a little bit. We only got a few minutes left. Sure. [01:16:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:16:38] Speaker B: We talked a little bit about t cos, but if you come into the lumber yard and you need nails, it can be daunting. When you walk into the nail aisle at a lumberyard, especially parliament company, we've got 16ft. Oh, yeah. Of nails. [01:16:51] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:16:51] Speaker B: And you've got gun nails and hand drives. And you come into the yard and say, I need to nail this. They're gonna say, you want vinyl coated sinkers? Do you want hot dipped galvanized? Do you want. [01:17:02] Speaker C: You want a box nail? [01:17:03] Speaker B: Yeah, you want a box nail? [01:17:04] Speaker C: You want a bright nail? [01:17:05] Speaker B: They're all. [01:17:06] Speaker C: You wanna finish nail. [01:17:07] Speaker B: Common nail. [01:17:09] Speaker C: There's a lot. [01:17:10] Speaker B: Keep going and going and going. Roofing nail. And they all have their own purpose, you know. And we could talk about every single one of them. But the best thing to do would probably be to go and say what. [01:17:20] Speaker C: Your project is, tell them what you're going to be using it for. [01:17:23] Speaker B: You say, I'm going to buy a box of these nails. And they could, you know, you say you're doing siding, you could be grabbing the completely wrong nail for the job. Siding nails are designed not to split. [01:17:36] Speaker C: Yeah, they're blunted. They have blunted tips. [01:17:38] Speaker B: Yeah. So you put it on your siding and they have blunt tips. Exactly. So they don't split. [01:17:43] Speaker C: That's right. [01:17:44] Speaker B: Your cedar or wood, they sort of. [01:17:46] Speaker C: Plow their way through your wood. [01:17:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:17:48] Speaker C: Creating a hole instead of finding its way between the fibers, which creates a split. [01:17:53] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. In ring shank, a ring shank nail has ribs down the whole nail and that, those have really high holding power. You would typically use ring shanks in an application, like in a floor, like you're putting particle board down, for instance, over a subfloor or a spiral shank. Yeah. You would put those down and it adds extra holding power so you don't get a ton of squeak. [01:18:18] Speaker C: And of course, hot dip galvanized versus electro galvanized. We used electro galvanized for a long time, but with the pressure treatment the way it is now, hot dip galvanized is the only way to go to keep your nails from corroding after time. Yeah. [01:18:31] Speaker B: And the reason for that, we should probably explain this, because it is important. If you go and you're building something here, the treatment that is in it is made with copper. That's its base. It's copper azoles. Copper azoles that they pump into that. That's why the plate is green. Green plate is because that copper turns green. Well, you know, what happens when you have dissimilar metals is electrolysis. So if you have zinc, which what electro galvanized plating is, is just extra zinc. Right. That they plate onto a nail. So if you have that zinc, it actually interacts with the copper, creating electrolysis, and it will corrode that nail ten times faster. Right. Than if you use a hot dip galvanized, which doesn't react with the copper. All right, so that's a great long explanation. [01:19:21] Speaker C: Great information. That's all the time we got. Thank you so much for tuning in. We sure appreciate it. This has been another episode of your weekend warriors right here. [01:19:28] Speaker B: Weekend warriors Radio network. [01:19:30] Speaker C: Have a great weekend.